as many of the guys have shown in the posts in "my market is ruined" they would like a paid subscipion to this site, i have to agree with them on this 1 and i believe most guys will feel the same. most of the guys on here have degrees, certifications, and licenses for everything in our business. as lakegastonla said "To the guys saying that few people in each area are members of this site: Probably 10 times as many people LURK, than those that are registered members. Why, you ask? I would say because they don't want to give away damaging information, and they want to learn as much as possible from AND about their competition while remaining in the shadows. I found this site long ago through an internet search, if that tells you anything!" this has to be true in most areas what we call the scabs and lowballers are could be watching in and getting a free education and tips on ideas and everything else that has taken us years to learn. only to steal our business because of the information they have learned from here for free and still undercutting us. most of you guys might agree with me on this 1 or might not, but i'm saying that i think its time to pay for this great privlige that we have. i know eric and the administators would like to keep this free but maybe the time has come to do otherwise. this message goes out to everyone, we need a vote on to keep it free or to pay. everyone needs to place their voice in this one either the side they choose. sorry so long.