faster, yet just as effective way to prepare for landscape site than sod removal?

Discussion in 'Landscape Architecture and Design' started by Doster's L & L, Jun 8, 2004.

  1. Doster's L & L

    Doster's L & L LawnSite Senior Member
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    Today, i busted my tail, preparing for a landscape installation. About the time my clothes were wringing with sweat, i had this thought that there must be an easier way to prepare for a landscape than to cut the sod and remove it. I suppose i could bring soil in to the site, but there is hardly any soil that gets transported that doesnt already have an butt load of bermuda in it already. If i were to spray the site (fescue) a day before i were to start installing plants, and then till it up, would i still get good results?? I imagine that the bermuda or zoysia is ALWAYS going to be there whether i dig it out or not, but still i'm thinking that sod removal is going to be the best bet. is there anything that will kill the stolons or rhyzomes and yet allow me to till it w/out having to remove it?
     
  2. D Felix

    D Felix LawnSite Bronze Member
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  3. Doster's L & L

    Doster's L & L LawnSite Senior Member
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    Thanks for bringing up the past thread, Dan. I'm still wondering about the whole thing about whether or not it will kill the stolons and rhizomes. I see you're from IN. Do you have bermuda up there? I'm guessing you don't because of your cooler climate. Have you sprayed bermuda first hand and had great results from it? (ie not having more bermuda come up through the mulch) I'm confident that i can do this with the fescues... it's just them darned rhizomatous and stoloniferous grasses that i'm having trouble with. Thanks!
     
  4. D Felix

    D Felix LawnSite Bronze Member
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    We don't have bermuda up here. My first thought is that the roundup should take care of it, but you may want to edge first to cut any stolons and rhizomes that go back into the lawn. That should help to eliminate dieback outside of the bed.

    Past that, someone else from further south is going to have to help.:)


    Dan
     
  5. Garden Panzer

    Garden Panzer Banned
    from Seattle
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    I hardly ever remove sod, it's too spendy to do it. I rototill down and plow it like a farmers field, rake out the bit's left and plant. The roundup thing a week or so ahead of time would help as I've done that one, too.
    :cool:
     
  6. GreenMonster

    GreenMonster LawnSite Silver Member
    from NH
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    Hey guys, what about renovating a lawn area that is just about gone -- thin and weed infested?

    for a small area, till, rake out clumps, amend, and reseed?
     
  7. D Felix

    D Felix LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Yep, what we call a "kill and till". Pretty much sums it up.


    Dan
     
  8. GreenMonster

    GreenMonster LawnSite Silver Member
    from NH
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    Dan,

    Do you have a rough rule of thumb guideline for pricing a "kill & till".


    x per sq. ft?

    Easily accessible area, roughly 2k sf.
     
  9. D Felix

    D Felix LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Nope, no rule of thumb for us. Sorry. We just don't do it enough. Prefer not to, anymore we usually refer them to someone else for lawns.

    For straight final grading and seeding, last year we had been charging around 11 cents per 100 sq ft, with fuel prices being up and having to kill the existing grass plus the additional prep time, I would guess somewhere in the 15 to 20 cent per 100 sf range. But that's just a guess.

    HTH.


    Dan
     
  10. GreenMonster

    GreenMonster LawnSite Silver Member
    from NH
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    :confused: :confused: :confused:

    Maybe I'm missing something, but at that pricing, I'd be doing it for nothing???

    No wonder you refer those out:D You sure per 100sf?
     

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