All I can say is this is the best skid steer I have ever run, I was at full speed within 10 minutes and about twice the speed (actual yards of dirt moved over rough terrain) than my old 863F within 30 minutes of seat time. It quickly instilled a lot of confidence, heck you just point and go wide open - you don't have to finesse it over the bumps. I thought my 863 was great and could not get all that much better - boy I was wrong. Is it just me or is there anyone else who thinks it is a night and day difference? I don't think I will run a rubber tire machine again. And I think I am going to raise my rates!!