Fixture Help Please

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting, Mar 1, 2010.

  1. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I have a demanding client (in a good way) who is looking for something new and stellar to light her outdoor kitchen / grill area.

    She has asked for "pop up" fixtures, but I am sure there are none like this available.

    I know about the various BBQ fixtures from Vista, Focus, etc. Auroralight dropped their line of table mount fixtures...

    Anything out there I don't know about? Any custom build ideas you would care to share with me? I am a bit stuck and out of ideas on this one.

    Thanks.
     
  2. RLI Electric

    RLI Electric LawnSite Senior Member
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    I have seen in magazines some high end outdoor rooms with pop up tv's. Something like that should work. A small hyrdraulic lift or something like a JenAir pop up vent hood. They make receptacles for indoor kitchens that is something, with a bit of Yankee ingenuity, that may be able to work in this situation. Just a thought. Fun clients are the ones with the guts (and cash) to serve as a beta project. Come to think of it, I bet Tommy has played with this type of scenario before and if not I bet he has thought about it.
     
  3. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
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  4. Pro-Scapes

    Pro-Scapes LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Hubble coupled with an LED powered mr16 path seems like it would fit your style. Too bad avalability is so limited.

    I assume there is no structure in which to downlight from ? I have a new MR16 niche light here that I am going to be using for just this type of application. Using 4 with synergy led's from ushio as soon as construction on the area is complete (and if we can get this rain to stop)
     
  5. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Hubble coupled with an LED powered mr16 path seems like it would fit your style. No not really... the thought of having a traditional path light, extending up above the counter top is not that visually appealing. Also the client would then be troubled to install, adjust, remove and store the fixtures. This is not really all that convenient for them.

    Too bad availability is so limited. No not really.... MR16 Pathlights are gaining popularity and are easily sourced. Winnona, Troy CSL, SPJ, TRAA Light, Sundown Designs, Megabay all have versions (SPJ's/TRAA is probably the closest in form, appearance and function to those that Billy is referring to) There are also two other manufacturers developing lines of MR16 Pathlights that I know of.

    I assume there is no structure in which to downlight from ? I have a new MR16 niche light here that I am going to be using for just this type of application. Using 4 with synergy led's from ushio as soon as construction on the area is complete (and if we can get this rain to stop) This is a possibility, and is being considered. Lots of options in MR16 fixtures that could be hidden in the soffit etc. I just want to cover all surface mount / custom retractable options before going there.

    Best of luck with those Synergy LED MR16 lamps. Just be sure that your new fixture will accept them as they are not true ANSI MR16 shape and size. Also be sure that your new fixture is totally sealed as the Synergy lamps do not like moist or humid environments. Also I would check in regarding availability and future availability of the Synergy lamps. I think Ushio's marketing license with IMS (Illumination Management Services) expires soon and IMS was recently purchased by Cooper. Will Cooper renew this with Ushio? Maybe.
     
  6. extlights

    extlights LawnSite Senior Member
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    I was at a home that had an outdoor kitchen/grilling area which had retractable bollards installed. If I remember right, they had 2 louvered bollards not far from the prep areas and 4 directional bollards with mr-16's. My guess is that a lot of the kitchen was designed around the fixtures because they actually blended quite well while they were up and weren't the eyesore that I thought they would be. When they were up my quess is that they were out about 20-24" and maybe 4-5" in diameter.

    Not sure that it would be anything I would do, but for this particular application it worked quite nicely.
     
  7. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Dave, I assume that was a full custom installation? How did the fixtures raise/lower?
     
  8. extlights

    extlights LawnSite Senior Member
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    It was a full custom installation. The fixtures were on switches just inside the door going out to the patio/kitchen area. They had 2 seperate switches for the bollards...1 for the louvered, and 1 for the directionals. I do know that they had to brace these fixtures because they were originally meant to be inground retractable bollards. It was a very unique application and the only time I've ever seen anything like it. I definately gave props to the installer and designer for thinking outside the box on that one.
     
  9. Pro-Scapes

    Pro-Scapes LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Im not worried about cooper buying IMS. I already have the lamps here so that isnt an issue. I needed something dimmable that held an acceptable color and the ushio fits just fine in the niche fixtures I have selected. If I remember you had not only availability issues but also performance issues with your LED's too. Just ask Joey :laugh:

    I came across another interesting LED solution that has the same specs as another one that is touted on these boards. More to come on that so stay tuned. In fact it it likely the same chip-set in a slightly modified housing.

    I could fabricate a retractable bollard then just do a matching top to it (ie granite) so it fits flush with the counter top. You would need custom framing below to accept the lenght of the fixture then construct a frame with small lift system. It would really depend how high you would want to go. You have mentioned this project before and not wanting to use BBQ lights. Personally I have 3 fixtures hitting my bbq from above to help eliminate shadowing over the cooking surface
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2010
  10. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Hey Billy, your information is WAY WAY out of date. I haven't been selling the lamps you are referring to for over a year now. I have engineered and built my own line of LED lamps and these have been available on the market since July 2009. These lamps have a lot of technology built in that none of the others on the market offer, but I don't expect you are too interested to be honest.

    As for Joey and Unique lighting, they have not seen nor tested my line of LED lamps (yet).
     

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