Fixture Selection - Help

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  1. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I have a client building a large timber trellis. The front vertical columns (posts) are to be downlit from the 8x12 timbers above as well as uplit from garden bed below.

    The architect and the builder are pushing to use a recessed fixture in the bottom of the timbers to achieve the downlighting. I am strongly advising against this as I know of no fixture that is listed for the application. My advice is to mount Hunza DL-Cop fixtures on the ends of the timbers.

    I know there are 'puck' style fixtures that could be mounted to the underside of the timbers, but they are ugly, they produce a lot of glare, and they do not use focused lamps, making my job a PITA.

    Do you know of any recessed fixture, that uses MR16 lamps, that is safe to install in this appliation?
     
  2. David Gretzmier

    David Gretzmier LawnSite Gold Member
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    I've used 3 inch can lights, aimable, and just switched out the GU sockets for MR's, but only on the underside metal soffit cover ( non combustable) and only when a master electrician actually connects the light. Those cans get hot, even with a 20 watt MR, they are not rated to even touch insulation in a home, but some have shrouds that help a tiny bit with glare. Probably not what you are looking for, but thats the only experience I have with recessed downlighting mounted on structure.
     
  3. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Thanks David. My concern is the heat as well. It is fine to go and install an LED lamp now, but if someone were to come along in the future and pop in a Halogen lamp, we would have a safety issue.

    This is a case where any recessed solution must be fully approved for the application. And to think there are LV Lighting manufacturers out there who maintain that LV lighting fixtures require no listings! Hogwash. This is the perfect example of why all electrical devices must be properly approved and listed.
     
  4. Mike M

    Mike M LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Hey James, this doesn't answer your question, but I was wondering if you keep sample fixtures like that SS Hunza on hand to show clients? I think it would make explaining your point to them easier. I know you have many fixtures for many apps, yadda yadda, but a few solid, impressive go-to's must be helpful to have at a consultation. Especially if you value them yourself for whatever design benefits.
     
  5. David Gretzmier

    David Gretzmier LawnSite Gold Member
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    I think the tough part is getting those listings from UL. an approved mr-16 or GU can to touch combustables has a huge 12 inch x 12 inch heatsink box, and typically has a double or triple wall of airspace within that box to keep the outer layer from being hot enough to ignite any combustable material. it would be impossible to hide such an approved can in tiberframe pergola.
     
  6. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Yes, I have quite a nice collection of sample fixtures that I use to show clients when needed, although it rarely comes up. Most clients don't even ask about fixture selection and on most new home builds I am working with and through architects, designers and builders. Not a lot of time to run out and show a sample everytime a hiccup occurs, so spec sheets generally suffice.

     
  7. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I think I might have the solution.

    http://www.focusindustries.com/pdf/SL-37_Cut_Sheet.pdf

    I have written the company and asked specifically about coring these into timber beams.

    I plan on using LED MR16 lamps and installing a 0.5 amp inline fuse at the fixture connection point inside the cavity of the timber. Then if someone comes along in the future and pops in a 20W Halogen lamp, the fuse will blow.
     
  8. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
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    thats a bitchin little light by Focus! Very cool!!
     
  9. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Nightscaping is dropping the ball big time and I am stuck.

    I need to find 20 small format flood lights like the NS Softliter or MiniWashLiter, Ideally in raw copper or raw brass so that they fit into the rest of the lighting system.

    I know Unique has the stellar but the finish is not going to work out for this highly picky client. Coppermoon product is too chunky for this application.

    Any help would be appreciated.
     
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