Getting rid of clover WITHOUT chemicals?????

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by MowingMowingMowing, Jul 13, 2009.

  1. yardmonkey

    yardmonkey LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 340

    Best as I can tell so far (and no one really knows yet) autism is caused by injecting vaccines containing mercury (and/or other toxins) into infants at certain ages when certain parts of the brain are developing. There may be no "cure", but some claim to have reversed the problem by various means, including chelation therapy to remove heavy metals. But as far as we know, autistic children are no more or less sensitive to various "chemicals" than anyone else. It would not be good for anyone to have a drink of Trimec, but if you carefully spray trimec on some clover patches, this should have no way of affecting their child unless he goes out and eats some of the clover right after you spray it. All the herbicides are different, but most will be broken down within days or weeks of use.

    So you can solve the clover problem with $1.00 worth of chemical, or it could cost hundreds to use other means, such as removing and replacing soil or trying to gradually change the lawn. But of course it will be beneficial to treat the lawn well organically anyway.

    These people may be a pain. But you may be able to explain some options, and maybe they can be less picky and more patient. Corn gluten meal, is very high in nitrogen, so it might be good to treat with CGM, like lots of it, many times a year, and see if this helps with the clover. It is expensive, but it should be good for the lawn anyway. Might even prevent some annual weeds.
     
  2. hunter

    hunter LawnSite Senior Member
    from Texas
    Posts: 254

    You can try a product called weed pharm from http://pharmsolutionsinc.com/ Now it is 20% acetic acid which is vinegar. Any time you use an acetic acid it will lower the ph in the soil.
    But then again it is non-selective.
     
  3. muddstopper

    muddstopper LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,342

    Build your client a portable chicken tractor and fill it with egg laying hens. Move the pen daily around the lawn. The clover will disappear and your customer will get a fresh supply og eggs as well as free orgainic fertilizer.

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  4. soloscaperman

    soloscaperman LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,045

    I would ditch the customer if there being a pain I have a woman that is always freaking out when her kid walks outside omg the world is full of chemicals. It's not worth wasting time on a customer like this.
     
  5. terrapro

    terrapro LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,234

    Personally you would be the ignorant one. Autism is not funny and when you see one of you're children disappearing mentally before your eyes one week after getting a vaccination you come to me and tell me how it happened. Trying anything you can do to help a child is worth it.

    Toxins are generally the cause not "chemicals".

    Just because you learned it in your applicators classes doesn't mean it is the truth. Like Yardmonkey said we used to put clover in with grass seed years ago why can't any other practiced be deemed incorrect when new knowledge has been discovered.

    Here in the organic forum our cultural practices lean towards sustainablility and understanding agricultural science. We understand and accept some pretty crazy ideas about the soil that people say in the "icide" forums can't and won't grasp. Why can't there be something about the human anatomy you don't understand?

    Again, not funny.
     
  6. upidstay

    upidstay LawnSite Bronze Member
    from CT
    Posts: 1,326

    You'll never be rid of clover. Ever. Clover seeds can remain viable in the soil for over 20 years, and all it takes is one. One pound of clover seed is literally millions of seeds. If they want to get ris of clover, you'll hafta spray it with an herbicide. All of the efrective "organic" herbicides are burn downs, which will kill the grass too. I have not heard anything good about the green guardian "natural broadleaf herbicide". Have not used it myself, but from what I've read it is very, very expensive, hard to use without burning the grass too, and is just not all that effective. I believe it has 7 or 8 weeds on the label. Spray it with something containing dicamba and be done with it. Whenever you see it, spot spray it before it takes over. I like Momentum or Eliminate-D for clover.
     
  7. sjessen

    sjessen LawnSite Gold Member
    Male, from Knoxville, Tn
    Posts: 3,068

    If it is a small area would the customer consider solarizing the soil by laying plastic, etc. on the ground for a few days and kill everything and later reseed?
     
  8. cudaclan

    cudaclan LawnSite Member
    from Zone 5
    Posts: 152

    Why fight something that is beneficial? Solve the problem by broadcasting clover (white) seeds. As a homeowner, I broad-casted a substantial amount of clover (red & white) last year. If I had to do it again I would opt with red clover. They tend to have smaller and greener leaves. I plan to top-dress compost mixed with clover again this year. It has almost eliminated the weeds and maintains constant growth. I encourage any homeowner that reads these forums to not deter clover. Instead, choose clover as your primary lawn (zone dependent) next to xerogardening.
     
  9. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 10,080

    Around here - Red Cover - gets Stemmy and too tall. Yellow Cover is to invasive and hugs the ground too tightly to feel good under your feet. It tends to be 'dirty' after a rain. White clover is my favorite. It would be perfect in a 'NoMow' fescue lawn.
     
  10. dishboy

    dishboy LawnSite Platinum Member
    from zone 6
    Posts: 4,164

    Around here white clover is considered a weed and not desired in any lawn other than old hippies who think a weedy , non-maintained landscape is "loving your mother".
     

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