I am getting the feeling this is a very closed off side of the green industry. It seems most of the companies don't like the idea of new guys coming in to the business. They don't like the fact that you can go learn how to install pavers and seg retaining walls. So how is one to get into the business? I have been landscaping for 7+ years. I have built 2 large retaining walls and 2 nice sized patios with stairs, lighting, ect. I did this with an old boss of mine. He showed me what to do and put me to work. I have had no formal education on the subject but I know majority of how and why you do things. So besides working for an existing company for 5+ years how do you go about furthering your education that is acceptable to all you guys. If all these seminars everyone is complaining about are so useless. How do you continue learning?