Going to ALL Liquid????

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by ChicagoLawn, Jun 16, 2004.

  1. ChicagoLawn

    ChicagoLawn LawnSite Member
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    Anyone else think the grass IS GREENER on the other side of the fence?

    I have been using Lesco fertilizer products for the past 5 years, things have been good! But... as I see several other properties completed by TG/CL they look a deeper green color. Is the liquid formulation of a fertilizer more effective? I realize we can create a "custom" blend with additional Iron, etc. to enhance performance/overall turf appearance and not to mention health when using a liquid formulation.

    Anyone ALL liquid?

    Why not ???

    Thanks in advance!

    ChicagoLawn
     
  2. royallandscaper

    royallandscaper LawnSite Member
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    I've been thinking about going all liquid for awhile now but haven't so far. I use all liquids on some properties and do notice alittle more difference than granular fertilizers.

    I usually see results alittle faster and liquids are suppose to be better for reducing nutrient loss from leaching.

    Typically I like Nitro +K and also X-Xtra Iron, applied together gives me the really dark color.

    TG/CL with a nice healty dark green lawn??? sure they weren't using spray paint? :laugh:

    Rodney
     
  3. utlemming

    utlemming LawnSite Member
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    There is a problem with all liquid. I would avoid them. The immediate green-up is because all the NPK is delivered to the plant immediately. If you want to have a great lawn try hunting down some of the Leabon Greenview fertilizer lines. They are slow-release. Most of my customers report that it is a slower green-up, but it provides for uniform, dark color and consistant growth. In fact some of their formulations include Dimension and Trimec. The other problem that you run into when you use liquids is that you have salt burn issues. Since the fertilizer has no slow-release, then it is higher in salts. Between the salt and the nitrogen you could burn a lawn if you apply during the hot part of the year. Further, you'll notice that you'll get burst of growth instead of consistent growth. If you use an IBDU or methyl slow-release program then you won't have the leaching. The other advantage that you'll get is that you won't have to apply as often.
     
  4. Runner

    Runner LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 13,494

    Just a higher rate and faster release. It's still junk. You have GOT to have that K up there. That's the only way to go.
     
  5. Garden Panzer

    Garden Panzer Banned
    from Seattle
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    I use allot of liquids BUT they tend to go over IBDU apps!
    :cool:
     
  6. TSM

    TSM LawnSite Senior Member
    from MA
    Posts: 707

    we used to be all liquid.
    there are many forms of slow release N in liquid (it aint ALL urea folks)
    we stopped for several reasons, some of which are;
    safety- ever have a 400gal tank spring a leak? aint no fun!!

    speed of app- ofcourse its quicker using granular, and with the equipment available today (ride-on, Z-sprays, etc) we can still apply liquid control products as we apply granular fert

    less wear and tear on the trucks- 400gal tank filled will weigh around 3800lbs. thats hard on suspension/brakes. I see a guy the other day with a 300/100gal split tank on a 1/2 ton chevy, ouch!

    general public 'thinks' granular products are safer- so we go with the flow on that one

    storage- unless you're using soluable urea you will need a large holding tank for that liquid fert, then of course you'll need a system to protect the environment if that tank springs a leak, this gets costly!

    probably other reasons we swithed from all liquid....but you get the idea?
     
  7. grassguy_

    grassguy_ LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ohio
    Posts: 633

    LOL, Exactly what TSM said. That weight in trucks over time will tear them down easily. Pulling a hose to do everything gets old too. If the tard only has a few eeeds you're still applying a weed control to the entire when its not needed. Wasted material and not to environmentally concious. I used to use liwquid and could mix pretty much for any NPK I wanted but for time to load and getting out daily, dry is much faster and easier to handle.
     
  8. TSM

    TSM LawnSite Senior Member
    from MA
    Posts: 707

    :)
    grassguy, ever real in a hose to find it pulled an azalia out of the ground as you were realing it in. lol
    not to mention the daffodils and other flowers that folks grow in the weirdest places, that hose will snap those flower stems with little ease.
    lol...ah, the good ole days
     
  9. ChicagoLawn

    ChicagoLawn LawnSite Member
    Posts: 126

    Thanks for the professional feedback!

    It makes total sense to me and my operation to remain granular fertilizer & liquid herbicide. It seems as if I should research and experiment a little more with the granular fertilizers in our marketplace. Can anyone step me through the fertilizer/ratio's for each round within a 5-6 round program?

    I'm sorry but in the past I have turned a blind eye and relied heaviliy on Lesco for the "fertilizer of choice" for each round. Again I am satisfied with Lesco products, just trying to improve!

    ChicagoLawn
     
  10. Neal Wolbert

    Neal Wolbert LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 407

    Our company has successfully applied liquid lawn fertilizer for many years for many reasons. To name a few; the blend of fertilizers is our choice, not a supplier---additives like micronutrients and soil surfactants are easily included day by day---we believe we deliver more "on target" applications knowing that product movement into bodies of water is a big concern in our area and will probably be regulated soon---we can spot treat with another liquid, i.e. herbicides etc., with a hose in hose injector system, minimizing pesticide use---liquids set us apart from the competition and takes us out of the pricing issue. If you're still considering the liquid option and want to talk some more, let me know. Neal
     

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