Grandstand Leaf Issue

Discussion in 'Toro' started by AA+ landscaping, Oct 4, 2009.

  1. AA+ landscaping

    AA+ landscaping LawnSite Member
    Posts: 208

    When using the Grandstand for fall clean-up, (I bag the leaves) the leaves blow out the front of the deck. Is there some kind of flap that I can get to prevent this from happening?
     
  2. The Toro Company

    The Toro Company LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 354

    AA+ landscaping -

    There are a couple of things you can do to help resolve your issue. First, we recommend switching to "low sail" blades when bagging leaves. This will reduce the external air flow allowing (blow out) and provide better suction. You can get low sail blades from your Toro dealer. If this doesn't solve the issue to your satisfaction, you can also install a "leaf enhancement kit" which will provide a better seal around the perimeter of the deck. Again this is available from your Toro dealer. Estimated retail is about $90 (actual price is set by dealer). Just to be clear, if you opt to go with the Leaf Enhancement Kit, be sure to also install the low sail blades.

    TURBO FORCE 48" Low Sail Blade part # 107-3193 TURBO FORCE 52" Low Sail Blade part # 105-7795

    Leaf Seal Kit 48" TURBO FORCE part # 108-4091 Leaf Seal Kit 52" TURBO FORCE part # 107-1634

    As you probably know, it's critical to have your deck height of cut set low enough to create a good seal between the grass and deck. If the deck is set too high air will blow out rather than create suction. Good luck.

    - The Toro Company
     
  3. pplm

    pplm LawnSite Member
    from Va
    Posts: 61

    So, what you are telling me the Grandstand has blow out just like the Ferris does. If that is true I wont be buying one of them this spring!
     
  4. lilweeds

    lilweeds LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 595

    Since we're talking blades here do the brains behind the TF decks have recommendations on which blades (since there a 5 types) work best in different conditions? Like when it's wet would a low or medium sail blade work better?
     
  5. The Toro Company

    The Toro Company LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 354

    Lilweeds -

    Here is a general summary of typical blade use for TURBO FORCE decks. Of course, adjusting the baffle position on the deck, per decal, is also recommended to maximize cutting performance in different conditions. Hope this is helpful.

    Atomic Mulching: Blade has a toothed sail for mulching in discharge mode.
    Recycler Blade: low lift blade ideal for mulching without discharge
    Low sail blade: ideal for light turf conditions, sandy geographies and bagging dry leaves
    Medium sail blade: ideal for side discharging or bagging in average conditions.
    High sail blade: ideal for side discharging in dense, heavy conditions or bagging wet leaves

    - The Toro Company
     
  6. mysteryman

    mysteryman LawnSite Member
    Posts: 235

    Atomic Mulching: Blade has a toothed sail for mulching in discharge mode.
    Recycler Blade: low lift blade ideal for mulching without discharge
    Low sail blade: ideal for light turf conditions, sandy geographies and bagging dry leaves
    Medium sail blade: ideal for side discharging or bagging in average conditions.
    High sail blade: ideal for side discharging in dense, heavy conditions or bagging wet leaves


    Toro-

    Can it be concluded that the HIGH SAIL BLADE is backward compatible to cover HEAVY CONDITIONS and also AVERAGE CONDITIONS, or does it perform only in HEAVY CONDITIONS ?:confused:...thank you.
     
  7. LawnScapers of Dayton

    LawnScapers of Dayton LawnSite Silver Member
    Male, from Dayton, OH
    Posts: 2,571

    I have been running high lifts all year on my Grandstand....they have worked great, and this years has been a very tough year with heavy growth all the way thru.. I am now running doubles with gators on top and high lifts on bottom.....still learning as far as the leaves go..... Do have some blow out of the left side but I have a plan to fix that.....with rubber skirting
     
  8. mysteryman

    mysteryman LawnSite Member
    Posts: 235

    :confused:Does this blade set-up work well in 'light-to-average' conditions, or do you just cut heavy/wet grass with it?
    What size deck and engine do you run?
    Having read a lot of posts about doubles wearing-out or straining the electric PTOs, do you have any comments on this matter having run the doubles?
    I'll thank you in advance for your reply.
     
  9. LawnScapers of Dayton

    LawnScapers of Dayton LawnSite Silver Member
    Male, from Dayton, OH
    Posts: 2,571

    I have been running doubles for 10 years and never lost a PTO.....did replace one spindle on a mower but I can't say that was because of running doubles..... It will work well in any conditions... But light to average single hi-lifts will work great as well....I have been runnig 52" decks with 23hp kawis for years
     
  10. brucec32

    brucec32 LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,403

    Are you saying that low sail blades INCREASE vaccum, or do they just reduce blowout? That's two different things. I always heard high lift gave more vaccum abilty to pick up leaves, etc.
     

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