Puppy sometimes I think you are so dense and stubborn you can't see past your nose to know what we are talking about. You keep talking about the mowers were straight out of the box. We BELIEVE you! What the others and I have been getting at is that even though they were straight out if the box, they were not on level playing fields. Did you explain to your dealer that you were going to essentially be brush hogging with the gravely? Did they know what you were going to try and cut with the mower? The fact that the deck can be set up for those conditions, but yet they weren't tells me that either 1 they didnt know, or 2 the dealer you demoed the mower from doesnt know their product well. Hopefully it's the first because the latter would be a terrible reason to lose sales. Let me spell it out for you. Would you not agree that the hustler has a more open, less tightly baffled deck than the gravely from the factory? The gravely deck can be wide open if the baffles are removed, making it more like the vx4 deck. The fact that the baffles were never removed is the reason we are saying that this review wasn't completely fair. Neither machines are made to brush hog, but had the decks been set up as similar as possible I feel you would get completely different results. Would they have been better than the hustler, I would say no because there is no machine that will cut that long crap and make it look good. We just wish you would have given them both an equal chance.