H2B - Verifying Social Security Numbers

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  1. DFW Area Landscaper

    DFW Area Landscaper LawnSite Silver Member
    from DFW, TX
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    Jim Lewis posted a thread on here a few weeks ago about fake ID's and how you can tell if an employee is eligible for work in the US. I believe the consensus was that if the doc's look real, there is no risk in hiring him.

    Take a look at this:

    http://migration.ucdavis.edu/MN/more.php?id=1640_0_2_0

    ++++Pappas Partners, a Houston-based operator of restaurants, paid a record $1.5 million in a court settlement in which it admitted hiring, shielding and hiding undocumented kitchen staff. Pappas now participates in the telephone verification program that permits the Social Security numbers of newly hired workers to be checked by the Social Security Administration and the A-numbers of non-US citizens to be checked by the INS.++++

    For us, it isn't that simple, though. The govy seems to only invest it's time in large corporations who break laws, like Pappas. They couldn't care less about Billy Bob's Lawn Care. But that's us, and that's our competition. We're all small.

    If you want to be ligitimate, you have to go through H2B. But that's expensive. You have pay an expert to help you figure out how to make the system work. It's incomprehensible otherwise. And the real kicker is that every third year, your employee has to stay at home in Mexico.

    How many guys go through H2B? What are the pro's and con's?

    Thanks,
    DFW Area Landscaper
     
  2. MMLawn

    MMLawn LawnSite Gold Member
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    DFW, under Federal Law on any new hire in any job you have to fax their info uncluding the SSN to the Fed's for verification. To work in the US legally they must have the documents (SSN, Taxpayer ID #, Official Work Docs for non residents). Once you document that you have done that you are then covered and it is free and required.
     
  3. DFW Area Landscaper

    DFW Area Landscaper LawnSite Silver Member
    from DFW, TX
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    Then why did Pappas have to pay a $1.5m fine?

    BTW: This has got to be the most willie - nillie application of the law in the history of the US. I mean, you could probably walk into any restaurant (or car wash or dry cleaners or small factory, or golf course, roofing crew, road construction crew, framing crew, etc) in america today, flash an INS badge and see people running for their lives. The only reason they went after Pappas is because they have deep pockets and they're successful. As far as I'm concerned, that isn't fair. What about all of Pappas competitors who are still using illegal help? To prosecute only the successful businesses, is, in my opinion, bull schit.

    Later,
    DFW Area Landscaper
     
  4. MMLawn

    MMLawn LawnSite Gold Member
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    It was because he failed to report them to the IRS at all. I agree the work of illegals is a huge mess.
     
  5. dkeisala

    dkeisala LawnSite Senior Member
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    Since when? You simply have the new hire fill out W-4 and I-9 information and are simply required to keep it on file. The only agency you are required to report new hires to is DSHS so they can check if any back child support is owed.
     
  6. MMLawn

    MMLawn LawnSite Gold Member
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    Below cut directly from the SSN Gov site from the 2004 Updated requirements.


    EVS requests can be submitted at any time and generally take about 30 days to process. There are several methods to choose from based on the number of employee names/SSNs that you want to verify:

    Up to 5 names/SSNs
    Call our toll-free number for employers, 800-772-6270, or the general SSA number at 800-772-1213. Both numbers are open for service weekdays from 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m., Eastern Time.

    Up to 50 names/SSNs
    Up to 50 names/SSNs can be submitted on paper to your local Social Security office. Your local office will provide you with format and submission instructions. Some offices accept faxed listings. Check your local phone book or visit SSA online at www.socialsecurity.gov to find the office nearest you.

    Over 50 names/SSNs
    A simple registration process is required for verification requests of more than 50 names/SSNs or requests submitted on magnetic media (regardless of how many items you want verified). Just follow the registration instructions on page 2. When SSA processes your registration form and signed privacy act statement, you’ll be issued a Requester Identification Code needed to submit your data file or paper listing.

    Large verification requests are ideal for verifying an entire payroll database or if you hire more than 50 workers at a time. Due to system limitations, we ask that magnetic tape or diskettes submissions contain no more than 250,000 items at a time.

    Media Accepted: Paper, magnetic tape (9 track, "), 3480/3490 cartridge, and 3½" diskettes. (SSA no longer accepts EVS requests on 5¼" diskettes.)

    The remainder of this booklet provides registration information and formatting/submission instructions for requests of more than 50 names/SSNs.
     
  7. dkeisala

    dkeisala LawnSite Senior Member
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    OK - so this states how you can verify a SS# but it doesn't say it's mandatory.
     
  8. NC Big Daddy

    NC Big Daddy LawnSite Senior Member
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    What's your point?......Are you now thinking Mexicans are taking your work? I've read a few of your post and I think you think to much. And just so you know the "Mexicans" are NOT taking anyones job! They work when most lazy Americans don't and I'm talking from hard learned experience. Maybe you should think about how to improve your business. Just a thought.
     
  9. DFW Area Landscaper

    DFW Area Landscaper LawnSite Silver Member
    from DFW, TX
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    ++++I think you think to much. Maybe you should think about how to improve your business. Just a thought++++

    I don't think you think enough. Ever tried reading what someone says before you start cocking off?

    My question was: For those who use H2B, what are the pro's and con's?

    If the employees have legitimate looking doc's, why spend the money on H2B?

    Later,
    DFW Area Landscaper
     
  10. GBCS

    GBCS LawnSite Member
    from Texas
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    This was the problem with Pappas.

    The company was charged with hiring illegal aliens and actually hiding them during raids by the Immigration and Naturalization Service. The INS claims to have found a substantial degree of complicity between the employer and the undocumented workers. Some workers were even rehired by the company giving false names after having been previously arrested and deported. Under the company's plea agreement, only the company and no individuals were charged.
     

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