Finally, I have a bit of germination (1/4 inch tall at most) in my outdoor seeding from December 2012. This seed 9Scotts Perennial Rye), was planted in potting soil in containers which had drainage, and were plunged 2 inches deep into garden soil in a semi-shady location. I also had germination from seed (Scotts Perennial Rye) which was planted in a 2 inch deep baking pan and left outside in a semi-shaded location nearby. This seed was planted on April 4, 2013. Soil temp in the pan at 1 inch deep was 52 F. The growing Degree days at Base 50 for my town were only 14. http://www.gddtracker.net/?model=10&fb=0&offset=0&zip=49548 What were the results in your town? What were the Base 50 Growing Degree Days accumulated in your town when germination occurred first occurred? If I used Base 22 Growing Degree Days--they totaled 853 for Grand Rapids. Average temps for the date were about a week late as compared to average years. So true, of course, I have been watching very carefully--and the new seedlings are tiny.