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help with bidding on commercial job

Discussion in 'Landscape Architecture and Design' started by TLS landscaping, Dec 15, 2010.

  1. TLS landscaping

    TLS landscaping LawnSite Member
    from NJ
    Posts: 34

    well ok I didnt want to think i am over charging or underbidding.
     
  2. juststartin

    juststartin LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 341

    How many man hours are you thinking? Was it bid out to everyone and their brother?
     
  3. TLS landscaping

    TLS landscaping LawnSite Member
    from NJ
    Posts: 34

    It was not bid out to many people.. I quoted for about 6 days for 4 men 8 hours..
     
  4. juststartin

    juststartin LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 341

    $62 a man hour?
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  5. Hause

    Hause LawnSite Member
    Posts: 39

    Cost Price
    Red Sunset Maple 2.5-3" cal 4 80 ea – 320 175 700
    RedSpire Pear 2.5-3" cal 5 80 – 400 175 - 875
    Colorodo Spruce 6-8' 1 75 150
    Norway Spruce 5-8' 15 75 – 1125 160 – 2400
    American Boxwood 24-36" 12 (70) 7 gal plants at $30ea = 2100 65 - 4200
    PJM Rhododendrum 24-36" 16
    Goldflame Spirea 24-36" 21
    Compact Meyer Lilac 24-36" 21

    Top soil cost – 15 yrds per tandem, 300ea plus 100 delivery = 800 total cost
    30 per yrd installation fee = 900
    Top soil= 1700
    $4820 total material cost
    Add in $200 for plant delivery
    Equipment - Using dingo with 30” auger and tractor to move dirt= ($200
    Labor – 3 men at 20 hours each, 2 days, 16 work hours ea. Total of = 60 hours labor ($750)
    Fuel- $50
    Total job cost= $6020
    I know I’m not considering all cost factors but it’s a quick fairly accurate breakdown. On first glance I figured $12k, and that probably where I would bid it, but we are very familiar with these type jobs and they don’t take use long. For instance, we just did one last week that was (35) 8’ Nellys and (20) 14’ Pines, spent $3600 on plants delivered, job took 3 men less than 2 days, had 90% of the holes dug and plants placed in holes on day one, priced the job at $11k. For this job I would consider over 15K high in our area. Best of luck I hope you land it.
     
  6. TLS landscaping

    TLS landscaping LawnSite Member
    from NJ
    Posts: 34

    where are you located?

    where do you get the plants that cheap?
     
  7. juststartin

    juststartin LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 341

    You might try independent growers and tree farms. Most are blowing out inventory. Your man hours sound a little high as well as your man hour rate. I would imagine commercial man hour rates would be lower. I don't know what your market will bare.
    It sounds like a 2-3 day job with 10hr days with 3-4 guys.
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  8. Hause

    Hause LawnSite Member
    Posts: 39

    Juststartin has it on all counts, I've been paying $60 for any tree I want, sales are slow down here and people take what they can get. Inventory on some varieties are starting to thin at this particular farm. A lot of farms are closing. A nearby company that has to purchase plants (they don't grow), prices their trees out at $90 ea installed, they get by with the smallest plants possible, trees may be 2' and 10 ft. Regardless these prices are tuff to compete with, these are commercial installs.
     
  9. dean1130

    dean1130 LawnSite Member
    Posts: 41

    I came up with about $16,500. But the wholesale prices in NY are way higher then the southern wholesale states. A red sunset here wholesale for the 2.5-3 " cal is $195.00 per tree. Spirea's and boxwoods go for about $22-$25.00. PJM rhody's are about 49.00. So the price will be higher then the south. A yard of soil here installed your looking at $65.00 to 85.00 to buy and install. So all parts of the United States will be different. I buy mine from a wholesale nursery called northern nurseries. They have higher prices, but quality is perfect. You take the shrub out of the container and it stays together, doesn't fall apart. The trees all have numerous white roots and root hairs. I like to give my customer the best quality possible, and I also explain that to them. Proper mulching, proper watering etc all makes a different in selling. Some will want a cheap install and instant look , others will want long term, quality, and added value to there property for real estate reason. So for a $5000.00 project here, with that many shrubs and trees, your getting what you pay for and its not much.
     

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