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Help with Paver Patio Pricing

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by mainelandscaping, Oct 20, 2008.

  1. mainelandscaping

    mainelandscaping LawnSite Member
    from Maine
    Posts: 23

    Friends,

    I got a call today from a customer, long story short, she hired a company to complete a 20W x 30L, 21 inch raised patio with steps from the house to patio 3, steps from patio to lawn 2, steps from walkway to patio 2 with a 80 foot x 4 foot wide walkway. She had to fire the contractor last Friday due to the fact that him and his workers were caught drinking onsite and using narcotics by local police and arrested... All of the material is onsite, pavers, wall, caps, bullnose, and the 40 tons of crushed need to finish the job. So far the job has been excavated the trench has been backfilled to proper height with crushed and tamped frabic is down and the first 3-5 inches are in place and tamped on patio site. I would say about 40-45 tons of crushed are already in the ground and tamped. The walkway needs to be excavated and completed also. My question is...how the heck do I give her a price??? I am just pricing labor I would guess, everything is there that my guys would need to finish the job. Thanks in advance for any help...

    Ray
     
  2. ANC Stone Creations

    ANC Stone Creations LawnSite Member
    Posts: 160

    Do you have any pictures?

    How is the area to get to?

    Every job will vary in price on labor.

    How many patios have you built?
     
  3. mainelandscaping

    mainelandscaping LawnSite Member
    from Maine
    Posts: 23

    I do not have any pics yet, as I was at the site at about 5 this afternoon and the light was not good. The area is open on both sides of the house about 18 feet from house to the neighbors fence. Like I said all the material is already onsite in the backyard. We have built 8 patios so far in about 1.5 years. 5 raised 3 level.
     
  4. Meezer

    Meezer LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 269

    NEVER GUESS. Are you absolutely 100% sure all the material is on site???
     
  5. Summit L & D

    Summit L & D LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 269

    You should probably go through your normal bidding process...start from the beginning (materials, labor....everything). From there I would recommend you take off 25% - 35% off of your total estimate or just the WHOLESALE value of the materials onsite, and give the client that price. There is no way that you're not going to have to purchase some materials for the project. It's really hard to know what has actually been done by the other contractor....so you're going to need a little extra room to make changes.
     
  6. NewHorizon's Land

    NewHorizon's Land LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 690

    Charge time AND materials. Are the edge restraint, spikes, sand, Poly sand there? Are you sure the other contractor order the right materials and the right amount?

    You will need to check to make sure the stone IS tamped(after all these guys were caught drinking on the job).
     
  7. PatriotLandscape

    PatriotLandscape LawnSite Bronze Member
    from MA
    Posts: 1,209

    sounds like a fun job to walk into.

    go with time and materials but give them a ball park on the cost.

    Unless you know they got a firm number from another contractor.
     
  8. Randy Scott

    Randy Scott LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,915

    I would pass on the job. It sounds like a mess. Taking over someone else's projects most likely never turn out anything less than a nightmare.

    The facts in which the other contractor was released puts zero confidence into anything they did was properly done.

    My bid would include tear-out of anything the previous loser did, and the start of a new project with all of your own materials. The homeowner can get the existing material off-site or tell the other contractor to get their crap outta there.

    There is no way you can provide any type of warranty unless you excavate to soil and start over, and if the customer agrees to not having a warranty, you have put yourself in a bad position if something does fail. More than likely the full story would never surface and YOU would be the one blamed for shoddy work.

    There must be some other jobs you could be doing instead.
     
  9. Midstate Lawncare

    Midstate Lawncare LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 267

    time and materials plus $500.00 for the headaches you will run into. Make sure the druggies don't expect to come back and work! and make sure they have all of "their" equipment off the property so there are no arguments. Good luck!
     
  10. btammo

    btammo LawnSite Member
    Posts: 98

    Make sure you have an exception that any materials will be extra. Also thoroughly examine the other contractors work to make sure it meets your standards. I would also put an exception in the contract for that, and if you have to start all over it would be billed extra. Just cover your butt. As far as pricing, I would bid it as a whole and then just subtract your material costs that you had in your price.
     

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