Helping out UNIQUE

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting, Jan 28, 2008.

  1. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Background: I was at the AOLP conference and checking out the UNIQUE line. I actually like a couple of their fixtures, specifially the Stellar, Starburst and Voyager.

    Issue: I picked up the gutter mount unit and quickly noticed how small it seemed. Sure enough it is built for 4" wide gutters (eavestroughs we call them here)

    Assistance: How many other sizes of gutters/eavestroughs are there out there and how prevalant are they? Here our standard gutters are 5" wide and our premium gutters are 6" wide. Only older suburban homes have 4" wide troughs.

    What are the standard gutter widths in your market?

    Joey and Nate will appreciate your replies.... (See that Joey, I actually got your back man! :) )
     
  2. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
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    James has seen the dark side and he LIKES IT!!

    Seriously guys this is huge feedback as we will be deciding to make a few different sized brackets to fit different sized gutters. We will only make this change pending contractor feedback so please get us your info!!!!!

    Again here is the bracket James is discussing here, we callit our Uni-Bracket and its main design was for the purpose of installing lights in rain gutters to highlight dormers and 2nd and 3rd story roof lines. I am sure you creative guys will come upw ith other uses for it!!

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  3. Eden Lights

    Eden Lights LawnSite Senior Member
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    Wow! Holes in the gutter down that low?

    5" min. gutter size here, We use a premium gutter hanger with a hole cut out of the center for the fixture stem, which is rock solid and cost a couple of bucks.
     
  4. Chris J

    Chris J LawnSite Silver Member
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    Care to share the link Eddie?
     
  5. Eden Lights

    Eden Lights LawnSite Senior Member
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    Local gutter contractor gets them for me, they are the wide, screw on type. I remove the screw and then drill my mounting hole with a hole saw. I then install the gutter mount just like the one behind Unique's pic. Screw in fixture of choice and I sometimes put a conduit nut on the underside if needed. I will post some pics, I have three to do tomorrow.
     
  6. Chris J

    Chris J LawnSite Silver Member
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    Cool. I'll be looking forward to the info.
    Thanks,
     
  7. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Joey: I saw the photo of the mount in application. It might work in S. California or AZ to screw the mount into the gutter, through the wall, at that level but I cannot imagine ever doing such a thing here. Doing so comprimises the integrity of the gutter and opens it up for leakage in the future.

    90% of my clients are installing copper eavestroughs and downspouts on their homes. These are wildly expensive systems that are custom built on site from flat stock. Prices are in the double digits per foot for some systems. I could not possibly take the risk associated with puncturing these gutters with mounting screws.

    I thought your gutter bracket was mounted between the upper top edge and the fascia board, just like a gutter hanger bracket. I had no idea it was intended to be placed inside the gutter in such a fashion.

    I like the idea of a gutter mount bracket, but it needs to be perfected, less invasive and non penetrating.

    Thanks.
     
  8. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I would really like to see a photo of what you are using too. Perhaps you might call your source and see if you can dig up some supplier info?

    Previously I have always been figuring out 'custom' methods of mounting to the roof deck at the edge of the gutter for fixtures aimed on dormers and such. I have never been 100% happy with that method. Thankfully we use a lot of hand split cedar shakes around here, so the thichnesses are excellent and I can usually secure a flush mount right to the top of the last layer of "shingle"

    Having a proper gutter mount that acts like a gutter hanger bracket would be wonderful.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  9. Lite4

    Lite4 LawnSite Gold Member
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    Here is something else to think about. Around here we have companies that sell those gutter covers. If that fixture is sitting down in the bottom of the gutter not only does it come in contact with some standing water for short periods of time, but with these gutter covers, especially the foam ones, the fixture could stay wet against the foam for some time. I like the idea of putting it on top like James suggested. I don't ever put screws into the bottom of the gutters. Too much liability for me.
     
  10. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
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    This was someone else who installed it. I wanted to give you guys an idea. Only picture I have on my PC. But you are correct, the mounting should go much higher int he gutter under the lip. This was not installed 100% correct.
     

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