Thanks that is all good information.....I have been keeping the little tree start cut out. We just bid the install of 13 pallets of sod at $7500. It bid doing everything the correct way using zoysia and soil ammendments and getting permit from city to water the grass since it was zoysia. They said it is just too much try to get it down. My son refused but I reminded him what happened at a condo acct where they got a lower bid for stuff and ended up dumping us for the maintenance. So I put together a bid using St Augustine and no prep and hand watering for 10 days $4995. And gave them option to do the actual install and the watering to get it even lower....we wait to see.