ok.......I'm planning on a CTL purchase next week. Just waiting for a final quote from CAT on a 247B and a final number from Takeuchi on a T130. I haven't tried the T190 from Bobcat but am interested in knowing what the T190 owners have to say about their machines. I love the CAT but I can't justify a total bottom rebuild at $ 10,000 at 1700+ hours. I do plan on keeping this machine for 6+ years and figure I'll be logging about 300 hours a year.