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How many clients?

Discussion in 'Starting a Lawn Care Business' started by vinnieobrien, Nov 14, 2010.

  1. brianslawncare

    brianslawncare LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 457

    i have 50 weekly and 5 are commercial accounts.my wife and i can do all of them in 4 days. the other days are for mulching,planting or hedge trimming. i would like to expand and start a second crew, but its hard to get new customers with the current economy, everybody with a pickup has a mower. we did some more advertizing this year than in the past. we had some mixed results. maybe this year will be better.
  2. AzLawnMan

    AzLawnMan LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 409

    I have been in this game a very long time and something about your numbers dont make sense to me. If you have 2132 weekly customers and your crews average 50 per week, that means you have 42 crews, and at 42 crews you are on average running 3 men per crew and at 3 men per crew, if you are only getting 10 yards a day done, then my friend you are losing plenty of money. And before you say I have no idea what I am talking about, you are wrong, I do. My residential crews cost me $26.03 an hour and I am making $87.50 per hour per residential crew. My residential crews I have 2 men in each truck. Walker mower, honda push, 2 weed-eaters, 2 blowers and 2 trimmers. They can do 20 a day with full service and get done in 8 hours. My commercial crews have 5-6 men and can do on average a large property (800 units) and a small property (200 units) in under 8 hours, or 4 smaller properties. Heck, I sent a 3 man crew today to a 350 unit appartment and they were done in 3 hours. My commercial and tree crews cost alot more per hour but I am making 250% more per hour with those crews as compared to the residential crews. I am not saying your lying, I think your numbers are a little off is all. Also by your numbers, you say you have 46 locations, that menas you have 3 men at each location?

    A couple of question if you dont mind. What is your insurance costs? Workmans comp, general liability? How many actual crews do you have? How many per crew? What size shop/yard do you have?
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2010
  3. DollarSign

    DollarSign LawnSite Member
    from MN
    Posts: 149

    I feel the same way.

    However, the number of clients you have has really nothing to do with anything because the size of the property and services performed vary so much.
  4. XLS

    XLS LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,038

    we have 46 locations we run 2 man crews the shop is storage sheds and semi trailers and the likes of such . if you would like figures on the company you would in fact be asking me to contact each location and ask them because each location is responsible for its own legal requirments .I assure you its alot more then many make gross per year on herethanks to the law changes this year. and you need to know what kind of properties we are managing as well, before you compare us to yours.
  5. AzLawnMan

    AzLawnMan LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 409

    You said this :

    Then you say this:

    46 locations + 2 men at each location = 92. So which is it 156 crew members or 92?

    Also you are more than likely a referral company that takes a percentage. If you have no access to numbers because "each location is responsible for its own legal requirments" then you do not own those companies or crews and therefore you do not have as many customers as you are saying.

    Problem that I have is some of the guys on this site are actually looking for real advice and numbers so they can measure themselves out and see where they stand. Instead you throw out these numbers and they dont make sense. Unless Im missing something your numbers confuse me more now than before. Also are you managing properties or providing maintenance? There is a difference. If I counted every property that I reffered out to another company as my own, well then I have about 3k accounts. :hammerhead:
  6. Darryl G

    Darryl G LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 8,033

    Nevermind, lol.
  7. Patriot Services

    Patriot Services LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 12,888

    Ronald Reagan called this voodoo economics.
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  8. hackitdown

    hackitdown LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,505

    At the end of this season, we ended up with 47 regular residential customers, but 3 of those are bi-weekly. We have 7 baseball fields for weekly grooming (same price as mowing). And we have some that call from time to time for cuts.

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