Procut? you think you struck a cord with some people in the business. 26 pages in what, a week. Great responses and very helpful insite on many issues. I have been in the business for 23 years now , first started out doing it for a living got married supported a family of 3, then 4, then 5, then it got tough , medical benefits 600.00 a month for nothin coverage, long story short, got on with the fire dept, and secured great benefits and a great working schedule. Life happens and i had to retire on a disability pension, still kept the lawns for side income, but the business got tougher, now i got a bad back, thank god for ztr's, now i have to make up for 50% pension, bigger house and a family of 6. Thank ghod for my son who is now attending college for his b.s. in horticulture, he's help since he was 7, and i warned him of the business, so we made a deal, we became partners and started building up the business, as long as he agreed to get his degree in horticulture. It's that extra edge you need to sell to the customer, instead of dude with the pick up and mower on the back, you have an educated fully licensed professional do it for a few bucks more, and now he just passed his supervisors exam for fertilizing apps. Didn't mean to be so wordy, but theory of mine is, an owner on every job, i'm lucky enough to have two boys to be able to put out 3 crews, myself and two boys w/ there own, thats as far as we'll grow, each guy can run a crew of 4. Some guys are able to move into the office to promote new business and grow successfuly, that doesn't work so well with me, wish it did, but you have to do what work for YOU. GOOD LUCK.... will be starting a fertilizing co. this spring seperate from the landscape.