Hydro Seeding

Discussion in 'Landscape Architecture and Design' started by RICK FRAZIER, May 16, 2002.

  1. RICK FRAZIER

    RICK FRAZIER LawnSite Member
    from 37814
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    I AM IN NEED OF ANSWERS TO HYDRO SEEDING. I AM IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING STARTED AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT ARE THE BETTER SEEDERS ON THE MARKET AND HOW DOES EVERYONE QUOTE A POTENTIAL CUSTOMER? I LIVE IN THE SOUTHEAST PART OF THE COUNTRY WITH KENTUCKY 31 FESCUE THE MAIN SEED IN USE. THANK YOU FOR THE HELP!
     
  2. prairie

    prairie LawnSite Member
    from kansas
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    Rick, most of the Hydros I've used work well. and some don't. I would make sure there is a goog warrenty. As far as pricing normally a yard 60,000ft^2 would run about $800-900 but that's not including prep work or fertilizer. SO there is a great profit to be had. You just have to play around and do a couple of jobs to see what price is more profitible for you
     
  3. prairie

    prairie LawnSite Member
    from kansas
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    Sorry rick I should have let you know what type of Hydro I have it's a Turbo Turf. It works great and as far as prices and what to charge you can look at there website. Most prices are anywhere from 4 cents to as much as 30 cents per square foot to do a job. Hope this helps more.
     
  4. David Gretzmier

    David Gretzmier LawnSite Gold Member
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    having used a turbo they are the nicest jet around. once you use a james lincoln mechanical, it'll be hard to settle for a jet. finn's are great. good luck. Dave g
     
  5. turfquip

    turfquip LawnSite Senior Member
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    Great brands...all of those mentioned. For the most bang for your buck, new guys need to check out the following link, which points to a press release (at TurfQuip.com) regarding the TQ 500E hydroseeding machine.

    Understand that while a mechanically agitated machine gives the owner more flexibility on the high end so to speak, lots and lots of guys make good money with jet machines.

    The issue is, which machine is best? Ask any manufacturer and they'll be quick to let you know "theirs" is... human instinct I suppose but lets look at jet machines in a more practical way:

    Similar or exact engines, pumps, fittings hoses and tanks across manufacturers. Small variations here and there but all strive and achieve furious and violent mixing inside the tank. That's what keeps the slurry in suspension.

    Now how to decide? Price I guess ;-)

    Press Release
     
  6. Shawn Burns

    Shawn Burns LawnSite Member
    from N.C.
    Posts: 181

    Also keep in mind that a jet machine will take much longer to load 100% wood mulch, if it will do it at all. That's about all i use for residentual lawns.
    The type of work you will be doing will dictate what type of machine you "need".
    I have a TurfMaker. I bought it because i run wood mulch alot. A friend of mine has a Turbo turf. he likes the jet machine because it was alot cheaper and he primarily shoots paper mulch.
     
  7. Sean Gassman

    Sean Gassman LawnSite Member
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    Ok, heres is the scoop. There is not one machine fits all. For serious contractors you have Bowie and Finn, with Turfmaker and maybe Easylawn coming in behind them. At the lower levels you have the jet machines. This is not to say they are bad, any machine can perform, but it comes down to time. Time is money. If you need to meet a specification (mulch quantity per acer) and it takes you four tank loads vs. one of your competitors, then we can guess who will be the most likly to have the higher profit. On the other hand, if time is not as important, for example you will be on site performing other task, then the jet machines may be just fine.

    The biggest problems with any of these machines is not with the machines at all, but the operator. Understanding how and why you mulch, at what rates, determines success or failure of the job. The problem is there are to many contractors charging $800-$900 for 60,000 sf, this price would not cover my mulch, let alone labor, gas, seed, tac., water, overhead, etc.

    The number one mistake when determining price is for a contractor is to look at pricing as the determining factor. You should learn how to do the best job and determine the cost to perform it, get paid, and to profit, then you will know what to charge. This is not easy, but you may stay in business unlike the numerous contractors that have price wars to do the job at the lowest prices, doing the worst jobs, and hurting our industry as a whole.

    I would suggest you check out the Hydro Turf Planters Association. We are a group of contractors with just about every machine represented, the one difference is the contractors are out to do the best job possible.

    www.htpa.org;) ;) ;)
     
  8. UTM-PIKE

    UTM-PIKE LawnSite Member
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    Sounds like your from Tennessee just by looking at your zip code. I have been planting ky 31, but you need to remember that ky 31 is a cool season grass, you might want to think about a warm season grass or a mixture of the two. Bermuda, Rye, Ky 31 etc. Where exactly are you from.
     
  9. Alan

    Alan Member
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    Please check your math on that one. $900.00 for 60Ksf is only 1.5 cents per foot. That might be your cost for materials but I that it's too low to cover them. At $.05/sf you would be talking $3,000 for that 60Ksf.

    I've never sprayed for less than 4 1/2 cents and right now am at 5 or 5 1/2 depending on lot size and how much work I get from that account.

    I'm using a homebuilt seeder modeled on the TurboTurf machines. I'm able to put down around 4,000 ft per hour, using paper mulch and working alone. This is just seeding, prep is extra.
     
  10. Sean Gassman

    Sean Gassman LawnSite Member
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    Hey guys, I get $.07 - $0.075 per sq. ft for residential acerage. This is for a quality job using wood at 2200 - 2500 lbs per acer. I use poly tac and lots of it. We have had three rains, 2-3 inches within 2-3 hours, starting two days after spraying and about every three days after that. I just drove by and checked them.....nothing washed ...no mulch or dirt!! The grass is sprouting and my customers and their neighbors are amazed at the results. Before hiring me, these dozen or so yards I am talking about, had heard that it would wash, was hard to water, would come in spotty. I assured them that quality was worth every penny. I recived these jobs over my competition charging as low as $0. 03 a sq. ft. As a result, I have proved that hydroseeding does work even under the worst of conditions when it is applied correctly.

    When pricing your jobs you must know how to apply the product so you can determine cost, labor, overhead, etc. Only then can you understand what to charge.
     

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