I don't want a Ford 6.0But might have to?

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by minibin, Dec 26, 2006.

  1. minibin

    minibin LawnSite Member
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    I look forward to your inptu on this one. This is my first post, but I have been studying the site for the past 6 Months.

    I am purchasing a hooklift this week and have been debating the cab & chassis mostly thinking of a 25,500 chassis or below CDL. But for overhead/businees reasons i have decided to go with a 19,500GVW so I can drive the vehicle home at night. I think that driving home a F550 looking pick-up style truck will go over better and keep the complaints to the city down.

    My concern is the threads on this site in regards to the Ford 6.0 engine and tranny problems. Manny have posted really negative feedback?

    The other options being considered are the GMC W5500HD cabover, the Ford LCF cabover, the GM C5500.

    The bottom line is that the F550 allows me to be more discreet since it looks like a pick-up but am I makinking a mistake with the current 6.0 set-up?

    Ps. I don't have time to wait until the 2008 Ford 6.4 is released
     
  2. POPO4995

    POPO4995 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,206

    There have been some problems with the 6.0....but the majority were from the early 2003's. As of now, I think you should be safe. I have a 2004 6.0; manufacture date of 06/2004 and have had no problems with the motor or tranny. Most of the problems were prior to that date, and believe me, I was hesitant at first too. But if you do decide to purchase a 6.0, you will find it to be a very powerful, stout, economical diesel engine. Also, you would be alot safer with a 6.0 than the new 6.4. The 6.4 is brand new, and will probably have a few problems where the 6.0 shouldnt have any. Good luck in your truck shopping! :waving:
     
  3. DixieChopperDuramax

    DixieChopperDuramax LawnSite Member
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    The ford is a good truck but i would be afraid of the 6.0L, some of them are ok but if you dont get a good one your in trouble. Injectors and turbos are the big things that give trouble on them. Id go with a chevy/gmc 3500 or dodge 3500 cab and chassis. Or the old 7.3l ford is a reliable engine.
     
  4. Ferdelance

    Ferdelance LawnSite Member
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    I have an 2004 6.0 F-250. Best truck I ever had.
     
  5. tthomass

    tthomass LawnSite Gold Member
    from N. VA
    Posts: 3,497

    Don't take this wrong but how serious are you about your business? If you are purchasing a hooklift that is twice the price of a Switch-N-Go then I assume you can afford to pay a few dollars to park somewhere? Do you have streets that are zoned and allow commercial vehicals?

    I don't know how things work exactly up there............even if you can not afford to rent a place, how about getting the SNG system. You then could use the saved money (about $9,000 US) to put towards renting a parking spot. Then you would not be restricted and could then get a 26,000 GVW truck..........then you would have the truck you really need since the only reason I see you are not going with what you originally wanted was due to complaints.

    SNG.......20,000lbs dumping capability and 15,000lbs winch lift capability.

    Don't hold yourself back over stupid politics.
     
  6. Prestige-Lawncare

    Prestige-Lawncare LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 753

    I have an '05 6.0 with almost 49K miles so far, and it still runs and pulls like the day I pulled it off the lot. During the summer months, on weekends, I pull a 36' 5th wheel with it also (13K - 14K lbs), and it pulls it like a dream.

    Like others have said, most of the problems were in the early production years. I wouldn't buy an early production 6.4 either for the same reasons.

    When it comes to a work horse for a truck (of the Big 3 anyway) ... in my opinion Ford is your best bet.

    :weightlifter:
     
  7. Total Landscape Solutions

    Total Landscape Solutions LawnSite Member
    Posts: 190

    Be sure to do your math and figure your maximum load after the up-fit. This is what made me decide against the hook-lift. With a GVW of 19000lbs, after the up-fit your load capacity is less than a regular dump body.

    19000gvw
    - 8500lb wet truck weight
    - 2200lb hook-lift
    - 1500lb dumpster
    6800 lb max. load

    Just over 3 tons. If that's enough for you go for it. Of course the numbers will vary slightly based on the size of lift and type of dumpster, but you get the idea. I definitely see the advantages of the system, I personally have never used one.
    I decided I needed a bit more load capacity and had my truck built like in sig. I should end up about 4.5 tons max. load.
    Of course this is all the "legal limits," the trucks will handle a bit more.
     
  8. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 9,544

    If you signature is right and your from B.C. what in the h*ll are you worried about CDL for you can drive any single axle with a gvw up to 35,000lbs without any problems. I assume you live in Vancouver if so your SOL about parking a 19,000lb gvw F-550 on the street your going to be nailed. The max sized truck is 5500kgs (12,000lbs).

    As for the 6.0 I wouldn't be too worried about it the newer ones are more reliable the only ones I know that had problems here are the 03s.

    If your looking for a F-550 hooklift Nanaimo Mack has one for sale its a 2006 Hiab multilift the truck is a 4x4 it only has 9000kms on the truck. They want 65,000 for it with no boxes when I priced the truck out thats what it would cost. I was interested in it but I wasn't going to spend 65,000 on a truck like that. You will never recover your costs with a 2 ton dumpster truck unless your moving allot of bins a week.

    You figure the truck is 65000 then you need bins say 4 to start with at 3500-4000 a bin so theres 14,000 dollars. Total cost 80,000 dollars roughly with taxes. There is more money in a tandem axle rolloff truck with 40 yard bins you can find 40 yard bins anywhere and a used rolloff truck is easy to find.

    If you look at Dams Ford in surrey they have a LCF-550 forsale its brandnew has a hooklift system with one box for 60 grand they also had LCF 550 with a conventional rail system.

    I looked into mini rolloff trucks I have been in the rubbish removal and trucking business for 14 years or so. Its too hard to make a profit with a mini bin truck its cheaper for me to operate a truck with a dumping flatdeck.
     
  9. zedosix

    zedosix LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,636

    Have owned 3 fords now with the 6.0 litre. An 03 which was stolen @ 48,000 kms no problems at all. An 05 with 76,000 kms, no problems at all, nothing except tires. My 07 isn't worth talking about it has only 700kms on it. Motors are great, not the best on fuel though about 13mpg working and 15 or so not working. I wouldn't be worried about them.
     
  10. minibin

    minibin LawnSite Member
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    Thanks again guys for your feedback.

    I think I got the info I wanted about the 6.0 and feel more comfortable hearing from some of you that run them.

    Total Landscape Solutions > you are right on the money when it comes to left over payload once you combine all the necessary components onto the truck. It's one of the reasons I was considering a w5500HD cab-over because they weigh in at 6600pds and offer the same 19,500GVW. My current application doesn't't demand large payloads mostly landscape debris and domestic garbage. I specialize if cleaning up after film & television companies. However I don't want to limit my potential and saleability of the company so I like the concept of BIns and moving towards a more passive income. So thanks you hit right on my biggest debate.

    Tthomass > as to your repy, I have considered carefully the SNG system and really like the idea for the same reasons most of you do >light weight , low cost, simple & versatilely. The challenge I see is that I will use the system for my current business and hope to grow into the Bin/dumpster business. The problem i see with the SNG is that I see myself growing to the point of having to change out 6-8 bodies a day and the electric/hydraulic system seems to be slow under a load and not really designed to change out so many times a day. The other is that a hooklift even thought it is more money it is built to outlast 3 cab & chassis's. Pls tell me I am wrong because i would love to get into this bus for less money.

    Gravel Rat > I too looked at that F550 with the multi lift it belonged to the "Bin There Dump That" franchisee bought in Ontario shipped out here and operated for a very short period of time before the realized that the 9000pd lift cap on the hoist shortchanged them and they could'nt lift the bins off the ground.
    When I mentioned CDL I mean't that's my range of considerations. I am debating trucks from 19,500 to 32,000Pds to stay under our Air Brake licences. I too believe that bigger is always better but I am trying to stay profitable and have the ability to have any of my employee drive the truck. You know what it's like to retain any good help let alone someone with a an airbrake ticket...

    Depending on what the next set of feedback is I will consider starting a new post to throw out there my debate over what truck to buy to grow my business towards the Minibin Business> so more on Hooklift/ Roll-off Vs. SNG
    I have read many posts on this topic, but still want more>

    Thanks again for your information.
     

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