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Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by Mataman, Oct 17, 2008.

  1. Mataman

    Mataman LawnSite Member
    Posts: 83

    I just finished lighting some trees for this HOA and now they'd like me to do their tower and I would like your input on this.

    This is what you see when you come in the entrance. They just tore out a few trees and will have various scenes infront of the tower as the seasons change.


    I'm guessing it to be around 4 stories high and they had it lite with 4ea 1500watt halogens. It barely lite up 1/2 way and at 3/4s the way, it was shadowy and they commented on the color change.

    The bottom is only visible from the front and the back. The sides are hidden by trees.

    these photos are rotating around the tower ccw from 4 of the 5 roads leading to it. The 1st road is the main entrance. Hope I'm not confusing you.
  2. Mataman

    Mataman LawnSite Member
    Posts: 83

    here is one of the front close up


    all sides are identical and here are some of my thoughts and please once again, feel free to comment.

    On the front and back at ground level, I'm thinking a par36 to catch the base(white area). From the ground to the green bracing is 20ft.

    In the bell area(green), I'm thinking four spots but not sure of the spread. Two at the bottom posts pointing up and then two at the top pointing down. I'm guessing the green area is approx 14ft and the louvered area is another 10


    Now my concern is how do I effectively light the bell area? Would I center another spot/par/mr16 down lighting from the canopy?

    Another thought was to mount lighting on the balconies with some 12-18in extensions. Good/bad idea?

    DUSTYCEDAR LawnSite Fanatic
    from PA
    Posts: 5,137

    Lots of rope lights
  4. Mataman

    Mataman LawnSite Member
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    they commented something on the fact that "moonlighting is not what we want". From talking to them, I took that as they don't want a haze, they want a beacon.:laugh:

    DUSTYCEDAR LawnSite Fanatic
    from PA
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    well i go with my gut on these things.
  6. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,102

    Well, I have a bunch of ideas for that structure and am 100% certain that we could make that a spectacular focal point.

    Now, what type of budget do you have to work with?

    It would be a challenging installation to hide all of the fixtures and infrastructure so you want to take that into consideration when you are quoting it.
  7. Lite4

    Lite4 LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,112

    Uplight the lower stucco looking section. I would mount downlights under that top roof with green colored lenses to make the green color and louvers pop. I would place lights on the corner posts to cross light the bells. You would want to be sure to use some good louvers or fixtures with deep set lamps for this. Just my initial thoughts without actually seeing the structure in person and sight lines.
    Looks like a fun project. I hope they give you a decent budget to work with.
  8. Mataman

    Mataman LawnSite Member
    Posts: 83

    budget,, budget,, ummm, they didn't give me a budget I know that I'm the only one they're talking to.
    They have dealt with several companies in the past but they can never get them to come back for a maintenance call and I maintain one of their wedding pavilions, so I'm there weekly. I've also worked with this HOA for some,,,, 5 years now.

    I'm not familiar with how louvers work or what effect they give. I've searched on here but sheesh,, there's just soooo much to read through.

    You know it would be awesome if we had a sticky thread on here that showed the various effects; blue lens on trees, frosted lens, etc..., louvers, led, wall washing, par 36 vs led vs mr16,, nothing but pics. that would be awesome

    I have easy access to vista and kichler through JDL and then FX, Hadco, Nightscaping, Focus, x-10 from Ewing.

    I still need to get up in that upper area and see if power is still there (HOA isn't sure) because I'd like to some leds pointing down with their own xformer. Mainly because of the lifespan and how hard it is to access that upper area to service them. Install em and leave em.

    What do you think about putting a couple floods inside the upper louvered area? Some light would emit through the louvers and kinda make the underside of the tower glow.

    just taking a quick look at it, I'm thinking 26 various mr16s. 6 on the base(3 on the N/S sides), and 20 on the top(5 on each face, two uplights/ three downlights).
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2008
  9. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,102

    My initial fixture count is more like into the mid 30's.

    It looks like those vertical posts are square tubular steel. If that is so you are going to have to get very creative with how you mount to them as you will not be able to drill holes without the services of a structural engineer. Then you will have to hide all of the wiring too. Like I said, a very challenging installation.

    Have a great day.
  10. Mataman

    Mataman LawnSite Member
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    sorry I missed your 1st response.

    c'mon dawg,, spill your ideas.

    About mounting to the structures;
    I didn't really have any intentions on mounting them on the structure,, well at least not at the bottom. I don't see any problem with mounting them to those 2in angle irons and the one in the center could easily be done by a junction box and a 8-18in riser to push is out from the structure.

    Hiding the wire;
    That's why I'm hoping that the power up top is still hot or even available. If not,, I'm pretty resourceful and I'll find a way to do it cleanly.

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