I have no idea why your bulbs are blowing up :-)

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by BrandonV, Jul 9, 2009.

  1. Lite4

    Lite4 LawnSite Gold Member
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    It reminds me of a landscape job I did about 8 years ago. The guy had been to Japan and found a very old antique bell from a budhist monestery. He bought it and brought it home. I designed and installed a full Japanese garden for him with the bell incorporated in the tea house garden. Unfortunately he died tragically of Cancer 3 months after I finished the install. He didn't even know he was sick until 2 weeks before he died.
     
  2. BrandonV

    BrandonV LawnSite Platinum Member
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    thats a shame
     
  3. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
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    Well I would definitely recommend against the use of Comet-FM's or any other fixture mounted to the small bell structure. You don't want to take away from it during the day. I think I would consider using our small Polaris MR11 Bullet Light to up light the inner posts and use the spill to light/silhouette the bell itself. I would like to hear others opinions. Being that it looks like you have 360deg. views its not a good idea to set lights back like they did and flood light it. To much glare produced. In the perimeter of the bell area you could put some area lights to give some more ambiance and illumination on the foliage and walk way.

    I will see if I have some pictures that apply........

    Also I would replace those green grates with brass grates or at minimum paint them.
     
  4. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
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  5. Tomwilllight

    Tomwilllight LawnSite Senior Member
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    This appears to be a 360 degree viewing situation. Am I right?

    Those are poorly selected "Well Lights" for that application. I do everything possible to avoid using wells because they are always a maintenance pain-in-the-butt. If I have to use a well, I'll go for the best shielded and regressed luminaire design I can find.

    The basic problem is that you are lighting a black object. You will have rely on reflections to define the shape or to define it by silhouetting it against... something. But I think silhouetting may be boring.

    You may want to consider mounting your fixtures high (on the house?) or go with with an in-grade unit with enough glare shielding and regression to avoid glare. This will provide some reflections but high will do the best I think.

    I guess you could mount MR8's on the timber stand but that would be ugly too. Not to mention the unstable lamp. Perhaps the DG XT LED would work but even it's going to stick out like a sore thumb.

    I would go to height and use the tightest spot I could find - Check out the GE EZX 20W 7 degree spot MR16. It's a "hipped" lamp and won't fit in all manufacturers' bullets. Check first.

    I would also advise the client that the bell will "shine" at night much better if there's a light coat of wax helping the light to reflect off the black surface.

    Tom
     
  6. BrandonV

    BrandonV LawnSite Platinum Member
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    thanks gents, I think I might try it w/ 4 mr11s one on each post, anything has to be better than a 50w flood in the face
     
  7. Lite4

    Lite4 LawnSite Gold Member
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    Ok Brandon, here is my take on the bell design. I wouldn't do any of the techniques that have been suggested for the bell. I wouldn't want to see any fixtures sitting by that bell. I would cut a dado groove on the bottom side of the crossbar and insert a Lightwild Project linear warm white LED light. This will down light the bell and will be completely hidden from view. You will have to be creative about drilling and hiding the wire but it is doable.
     
  8. Mike M

    Mike M LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Billy, what do you mean by this? More info, please.
     
  9. Tomwilllight

    Tomwilllight LawnSite Senior Member
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    Tim,

    That's an interesting idea. I certainly like it better than sticking any surface mount fixtures on the bell's log structure. I would want to take a long look at the log itself to determine how strong it is.

    Could there be a heat build up problem with recessing the LED into wood? Heat rises and wood is a fair insulator.

    I checked the Lightwild literature and it looks possible to order a wide angle lens and spec the length of the LEDs to be near the width of the bell. That may end up with a box shape lighted area. That could be interesting.

    I would still think a lot about how to reflect light off the apparently mat surface. It's really hard to light black objects unless they are shiny. I still think that's Brandon's central problem.

    Tom
     
  10. BrandonV

    BrandonV LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I have a plan... I'm off to lowes to buy some krylon. I think a nice gold finish should do the trick :)
     

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