I know CGLand can't wait to read this one!

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by Drafto, Mar 3, 2006.

  1. Drafto

    Drafto LawnSite Senior Member
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    I was at my local dealer today (will NOT mention the name) ordering material for upcoming jobs and I got into a discussion with the owner about edge restraint. They used to sell The Beast but have switched to selling Dimatex, he was telling me the difference and BS stuff. So while I was ordering materials for a paver job he asks me if I want the "low-profile" or standard edge restraint, I was a little surprised at the question. I asked, "Why would I want the low profile for a paver install?"

    He says, "Most of the guys now are just putting the edge restraint on top of the sand or screenings so they are switching to the low profile so you can't see it." WTF? I was shocked! When I simply said, "that is wrong". He says yeah, I know.

    What is wrong with people? How come every time I turn around I feel like my competitors are destroying this industry? I am not a seasoned hardscaper, this is my second year in business, but I have spent the time and money, (did I mention time?) to educate myself as to the proper fundamental practices of hardscaping.

    Where does this problem start? With the Manufacturers? Distributors? Contractors? Why would this particular dealer even sell that stuff for the reason he KNEW he was selling it?

    I just wanted to drop a line to you guys and gal (Sheshovel) and vent a little.

    Dan
     
  2. cgland

    cgland LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Dan, Dan, Dan. Welcome to the reality of hardscaping. It's funny you post this, because I was just at my supplier today and had a discussion about the list of contractors they hand out. After some back and forth stuff:hammerhead: , they will only be handing out the names of contractors that are EP Henry Authorized. This is what I like to see! Suppliers like this are definately helping the industry by promoting dedication and professionalism. Suppliers like yours are basically a bunch of uneducated, yes men just out to make a buck! It sickens me! Low profile edging on top of your setting bed?!?!?!?!? To me it would be the same height as if you put a standard restraint on the base. I feel that this is a way that some contractors are trying to save a buck, because that edging is cheaper. I know EP Henry has had it's problems, but you can't fault them for trying to increase our customers perception of the industry.
    P.S. Dan - The more you are around this sector, the more boneheaded SH** you will see.

    Chris
     
  3. Drafto

    Drafto LawnSite Senior Member
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    For the record, this was not an EP Henry distributor. There was a lot more to the conversation but typing all of it would have been too boring to read. I ended up telling him to let the contractors know that is a GREAT idea b/c I have some great pictures of jobs they installed and I love the repair work:

    http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=131883

    Also, the word "screeings" must have slipped by you, but I didn't let it by me when he said it! This same distributor sells 2A, he sells it as 2A but really it is 2" minus, but he says thats what 2A is! We had that discussion today too when he asked why I didn't need any modified, I bought that stuff from them ONCE.

    I can tell this year is off to a great start :) !

    Dan
     
  4. cgland

    cgland LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Ask him if his 2A meets the ASTM or AASHTO standards for 2A.

    Chris
     
  5. Drafto

    Drafto LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 442

    No need to ask him, it doesn't. He uses b/c it is what is needed under asphalt, so that is what he stocks and sells to unsuspecting paver contractors.
     
  6. sheshovel

    sheshovel LawnSite Fanatic
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    This is not pavers but I use this.
     
  7. cgland

    cgland LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Is that pea gravel? I love the natural plantings.

    Chris
     
  8. Drafto

    Drafto LawnSite Senior Member
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    C'mon Chris, you know you want to do it...........post a pic.

    Dan
     
  9. cgland

    cgland LawnSite Bronze Member
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    OOOOOKKKKKK!

    Here is a patio, pond, walls, plantings and pergola we did this year (last year)

    Chris



    Damn that felt good!:dancing:
     
  10. sheshovel

    sheshovel LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 5,112

    Well it was 1/4"crushed slowly being replaced with San Antonio pebble that theu dident have in at the time..They parked in that area before
    Beutifull work cgland as per usual:dancing: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping: :clapping:
    now weren't we discussing edge restraints?
     

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