I Need help getting lawns looking really nice

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by recycledsole, Sep 21, 2013.

  1. Victorsaur

    Victorsaur LawnSite Member
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    I may be wrong but it sure looks like you have some brown patch going on in that photo. Above advice is good, although if you look hard enough it IS possible to get great results organically. Again, I would consult phasthound for advice. Stick to your guns and don't give in to the non organic way.
     
  2. BlazersandWildcats2009

    BlazersandWildcats2009 LawnSite Member
    from Houston
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    I was kind of riding the fence, but I agree if you think it's best or you and your community stick to it. I'll say a prayer for you and hope things work out. (I pray about my lawn) that's how much of a passion I have or a beautiful lawn. There are many great organic products out there, many just as we stated earlier, just do your homework and stay away from the gimmicks. I find the Ag center and university studies to be the best to follow, rather than sales advertisements on the products websites.
     
  3. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    Define "great organic products"... What makes them great? what is their Mode of Operation(MO)?? will it benefit SOM, CEC, moisture/air ratio or what other benefit???
    Improper use of anything renders it useless, so knowing the MO is the first thing to master... what is a "great organic product???"... :)
     
  4. Victorsaur

    Victorsaur LawnSite Member
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    I don't mean to speak for Blazers but for me it means an organic product that actually works. Yes, they do exist.
     
  5. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    Yes there are some out there that work well becuz they have adequate amounts of NPK, but so do synferts... the subject of the current discussion is determining what the MO in building the microherd is... if you're not building the microherd at the same time you're providing adequate NPK, it would be considered gimmicky and a waste of the clients' money...

    So,,, if you build it they will come... the real issue of building habitat is the heart of organics...
     
  6. BlazersandWildcats2009

    BlazersandWildcats2009 LawnSite Member
    from Houston
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    Sorry smallaxe, had too much school work going on yesterday and was to wore out here to come get schooled with more education by you. :weightlifter: But you know my opinion about organics, or else I wouldn't be using Lesco as a fertilizer. :laugh: Now don't get me wrong, I believe there are few organic products out there such as compost that adds positive things that we need to the soil. While nearly everything that works includes a ratio of N-P-K there are other micro nutrients that our lawns need to grow such as Iron, Zinc, Boron, Magnesium, Zinc, and etc. that are often forgot about. I've seen few synthetic fertilizers in the big box store that focused on micro nutrients. If you want to green up your lawn quick, a good N-P-K ration might do your lawn some good, but what about the micro-organisms that are soil needs? From my understanding of all the readings I've done, a steady supply of synthetics will indeed have that green lawn, but wouldn't syns tend to kill the micro-organisms and living things in the soil that we do need to avoid our soil from coming to compacted? While it seems a lawn schedule that includes synthetic fertilizers would indeed provide your lawn with what you need, but wouldn't composting help add the micro-organisms and micro nutrients that our grass also needs to be healthy? Maybe I'm completely wrong and you can give me a better understanding, but from what I've read that's my current view on the main difference between the two; is the nutrients in which they offer and how they offer them. I think it would also be a fair statement to say, synthetics offer a better supply of NPK ratio to have the lawn appear like it's healthy, I also believe there's a beneficial side to certain organics that provide the micro nutrients and organisms that our soil and lawn also needs. But it would also be a fair statement in my eyes to say, most of the "organics" sold are sold to make $$ to the salesman as you stated, because half of the organics don't offer these needed nutrients, while a few organics such as compost, Alpha Tea, and various other things will help provide the correct nutrients and organisms that our soil needs. Feel free to correct me if my theory is wrong, but that's my perspective as of right now from what I've read. But like I mentioned, I will agree most of the organic products are "gimmicks" for someone to put bucks in the wallet.
     
  7. BlazersandWildcats2009

    BlazersandWildcats2009 LawnSite Member
    from Houston
    Posts: 197


    I read your last sentence also, and it seems like a statement that holds it's worth. I agree if you build with organics, the soil structure will build overtime, but like you said, it's hard to build solely on organics without addition to the most needed nutrients that most syn ferts also include.

    While I don't see nothing wrong with either, they give us what we need in some way or another, I see the most difficult challenge is distinguishing between which organic products are a "gimmick" and which ones actually provide us with those micro nutrients and organisms. I also see a challenge when you solely depend on "organics" or solely on "syn." In my opinion if you find the correct balance "organics" and the correct "synferts" you could have the best of both worlds, but I think it all boils down to determining exactly what your soil has in it and exactly what it needs. But I would agree that depending soley on "organics" isn't going to provide you with what you need to have a quick green up, which is what a lot of people out there are looking for, UNLESS you find something that is high in N obviously.
     
  8. BlazersandWildcats2009

    BlazersandWildcats2009 LawnSite Member
    from Houston
    Posts: 197

    Small axe, while your chiming in with your perspective on things, I would also love to hear your perspective on another topic. Keep in mind your climate is completely opposite of ours. Some say not to apply ferts after September. However our temperatures for the season don't drop until October/November. While you guys temps. may drop way earlier. Obviously, this late in the season you don't want something high in nitrogen, but from my understanding it would be helpful to have something with a higher formula on the last two. For example 5-10-15 (http://www.lowes.com/pd_92506-303-460364_0__?productId=3582000) or even a 0-10-15 (If I could locate it) in the October/November months when are temps. are still in the 80's and also before the cool season kicks in. While I believe it would benefit us with warm season grasses to stay away from nitrogen in late season, it seems to me as if a 0-10-15 or 5-10-15 might be of some benefit for building a healthy turf. While my perspective could be completely wrong, I would love to hear your input on this. Debates and discussions tend to teach me more than textbooks, hence why I love staying on the forum so much and I would love to hear your input on this.
     
  9. Patriot Services

    Patriot Services LawnSite Fanatic
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    I assume this is a sod job. Zoysia doesn't grow from seed that fast and only a few species are available. Nice job regardless.
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  10. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Excuse me, but the subject of this discussion was brought up by the OP, not you. You have your opinions and that's fine but if someone is asking for help with an organic lawn care program, I don't think you're being very helpful.
     

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