I stoped giveing bids and now go by the HR

Discussion in 'Starting a Lawn Care Business' started by Full throttle lawn care, Mar 24, 2006.

  1. Full throttle lawn care

    Full throttle lawn care LawnSite Member
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    After a few under bids this year and doing work for free I decided to go to the 60.00 hr pay scale and no longer give bids but an estimate of time with a low and a high time. It really is working great and my clients understand that I'm not in business to lose money. I time my first cut and base my price on that for there weekly rate. Does anyone else work this way? I do this for everything now,even a mulch job etc.
     
  2. Freddy_Kruger

    Freddy_Kruger LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I will be timing out the jobs to see where I'm at then depending how much work I got and how much I make, I'll make a decision to try and bump a price up or lose it. I mean it's just an estimate but after you've done it a few times then you really know... mind you I won't be volunteering to go down in price.
     
  3. olderthandirt

    olderthandirt LawnSite Platinum Member
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    NO! as you get more experience you learn short cuts to save you time . Why pass that along to customers
     
  4. Full throttle lawn care

    Full throttle lawn care LawnSite Member
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    I start my time when I start mowing and stop it when I turn the blower off. I don't charge for loading and unloading. I work at a steady pace and do a really good job. I know for me my first cut is my slowest so this builds in time for me later to do an extra here and there and not feel like the job is costing me money.
     
  5. Cooper725

    Cooper725 LawnSite Member
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    No way would I do that. Time is money, if I have 4 house's next to each other some people will lower there price because there is no window time. Not me I charge a 1/4 acre lawn at 37.50. Even if it takes my boys 15 mins to do. So if it takes 1 hour to do 4 house's for $150.00 so be it. None of there business how long it takes or how mutch money I make off the service. They want there lawn done, they pay the price. NEVER tell them what you get an hour!!!!! Some greyhairs would have a heartattack if they knew what they were paying by the minute lol.
     
  6. olderthandirt

    olderthandirt LawnSite Platinum Member
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    that loading and unloading is all part of the work so why not charge for it? You need to know your cost and how much profit you need to grow and plan for retirement.
     
  7. topsites

    topsites LawnSite Fanatic
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    Timer? I've been timing myself for years, but more and more the timer is just for me (like someone else said, over time you learn to save time). It's one way to increase your rates invisibly. Be able to do an hour's work in 55 minutes, then 50, then 45 later... And still charge an hour's labor for it all.

    But I got lowballed today... Or maybe I should say I allowed myself to be lowballed... I really hate that crap anymore, you go out there and they somehow manage to do this thing, I don't know, maybe I just didn't have my shields up. Sooner or later someone always mess you around, you go out there and you're thinking 60/hour and all of a sudden you run into this job that's hard to estimate and you tell them 75-100 dollars (or whatever) and they come back with this thing about 'ok 75 sounds good then' or 'yeah well I got another guy said he'd do it for 75 so that sounds good' or whatever... Or you find yourself bending over, how they do that crap... ahhh nevermind, it just frustrates me.

    I'll be calling the guy tomorrow to let him know I won't be doing the job.
    Haven't thought of a good reason to tell him why not, but I'm sure something will come to me thou I'd like to hear some, it might help.

    Not so bad when you can walk away, but I hate it when I agree to something that I should know better at the time.
    That's not to say I've never low-balled and then just didn't show up because my tail wouldn't get out of bed.
     
  8. Insometry

    Insometry LawnSite Member
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    Some greyhairs would have a heartattack if they knew what they were paying by the minute lol.

    If you cant be up front with your customer, then are they the kind of customers that you are actually helping with your service?

    The "greyhairs" around here know what they pay me. And they know how long it takes me to mow their place.

    Their not stupid.
     
  9. Splicer

    Splicer LawnSite Senior Member
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    My look on this is that you made your bed by accepting the job for an agreed upon price and now you should lie in it by doing that said job. Don't lower yourself to lying to get out of it. That is about as un-professional as you can get IMHO. Go do the damn job and learn from it. Bet you don't lowball again very soon. If you don't follow through you have learned no lesson worthy of learning...:drinkup:
     
  10. Joey bag a' donuts

    Joey bag a' donuts LawnSite Member
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    What you make per hour is really nobody elses business but your own. Just because someone dosnt tell you what they make does NOT mean that they cant be trusted or that theyre not helping you...for example, next time you go see your docter ask him how much he makes...youd never ask, hed never tell...has nothing to do with being upfront with your customer.:weightlifter:
     

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