O.k. so here it is. I currently have a very good job. Good pay, good benefits great owner and co-workers. I am a designer/cnc programmer and i am the manager of the prototype department where i work. I work for one of the large Nascar cup teams (rather not say which one for now). I have good hours and a good work enviroment. Stress is the only negative and the state of the Nascar industry the last couple of years has been bad also. I had a part time LCO about 10 years ago (when i was working for a different Nascar team). I decided to sell the company when i moved to the team i currently am with. I have been thinking real hard the last 2 or 3 years about starting a business on the side for now with the intent of going full time eventually. I am trying to decide between a Lawn business or a machine shop. First about the lawn business. I live in a pretty low income area of Southwest V.A. to begin with. Not alot of places to work around here. I have a couple of larger cities within an hour of me but not sure how viable it would be with the travel (i do travel an hour and 15 minutes one way to work now however). There would not be many of the high dollar landscape projects around here. Maybe one or two here and there. There are alot of retired people from up north that have been moving here in the last 5 or 6 years or so and i think that is only going to increase. I am good friends with 2 of our county board members and they both say tourism and people moving here from outside the area are going to be the future of our area. My dad currently owns 4 businesses and he has said forever that there is no money in our area (although he does seem to do pretty good himself). I do have a wife and 3 kids that i have to support as well. My wife is a nurse and works full time so insurance is not a determining factor for me. As far as the machine shop goes i would prefer to come up with my own products and market them through magazines and the internet. I know i would have to take some job shop work to start with though. I have made alot of contacts through racing over the last 15 years though and this would come in handy with this endeavor. I could even get some work making parts for our race teams if i want to. The biggest thing with the machine shop is the start up costs. Were talking about $100,000 min. up to about $200,000 just to get started. People complain on here about the "low baller" only charging $30 an hour when he only has $10,000 of investment. Try competing against $40 an hour shop rates when you have a $100,000 investment. And you have to hire a highly skilled machinist at about $15-$20 an hour to charge $40 an hour. This is why you need to come up with your own products where you can charge a premium for the product and work to perfect the process to make a better hourly shop rate on the equipment. I would just like to here from some of you guys about what you think. If you have anymore questions feel free to ask away. Thanks for taking the time to read this long post.