I'm Venting, Please explain this to me.

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by lawnboy2068, Mar 23, 2009.

  1. lawnboy2068

    lawnboy2068 LawnSite Member
    Posts: 104

    How can you cut 70 acres a week that are in 22 different locations around this town for a 24 week period plus leaf clean up on 16 of those acres in November for $25.00/acre? Even with 2 groundmasters that can cut 10 to 12 acres a day along with 2 men trimming and make money on this deal.

    Please explain this to me. I have 21 years in this business and I can't understand this. I was asked to bid this project this year and was handed the winning bid from last year with these numbers. I did my numbers before I looked at the winning bid and I fell off my chair.

    This is why I hate this business now. How do you make a profit with these numbers? And I bet this years bids will be lower due to the economy. I guess that I am passing on this one.

    I need a drink now.
    James
     
  2. MATSON TURF

    MATSON TURF LawnSite Member
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    Have a drink for me to james.....I bid a city job last month...It went for about $15 an acer.The job would have taken 2 men a min. of 6 hours to mow...So you do the math..I have been in business 15 years. I just sit back and watch these CLOWNS come and go
     
  3. billslawn89

    billslawn89 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,364

    oh why not...have a drink for me too! lol...wait, i'll have one with ya!
     
  4. MATSON TURF

    MATSON TURF LawnSite Member
    Posts: 9

    Times are tough here in Michigan...So you have every Tom, Dick And Harry cutting prices WAY to LOW...They will figure it out ...But in the mean time it just screws the rest of us....
     
  5. lawnboy2068

    lawnboy2068 LawnSite Member
    Posts: 104

    Alright. I'll buy the first round if you all can get to NJ. We can all get soused together and wonder why, better yet, we'll just all go to the go go and drown our sorrows that way!

    James
     
  6. newtostone

    newtostone LawnSite Senior Member
    from NY
    Posts: 681

    I haven't been in this business long but one thing I can say without a doubt is that prices for service are no longer what they were even 5 years ago. There was a job (school) that used to get mowed. Went from 28k a year to 19k a year to 8k a year. I really wish I was in this business back when money could be made, man what a life i could be living.

    On a side note though, I have no idea what these properties look like but if someone is able to put a WAM on these properties then they can cut 12 acres an hour easy. One things that really takes a hit to those numbers are the amount of locations but all in all times are changing.

    Best of luck this season guys.
     
  7. Think Green

    Think Green LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,746

    That is the problem guys, we do sit around and watch the glowns come and go while the economy and their bidding procedures drive the market into the ground.. The clowns are getting the work--going home and celebrating with momma--eating steak at Hooter's and finally realizing that they didn't bid enough. Before it is too late, they rack up 200 accounts and sell their business.
    Happens all the time here. I talked to another LCO who told me that when he gets to 250 accounts he is selling. Their tactics are all the same. They are in it for the profit side and not the customer relations and the satisfaction that it offers.
     
  8. lawnboy2068

    lawnboy2068 LawnSite Member
    Posts: 104

    I can use my groundmasters on 3/4 of the sites. The rest are all via smaller Zmaster type or walkbehind machines. I have found out info on this character and most towns won't do business with him anymore because he does garbage work. I was told of 1 town that the ball field manager wants him gone but he is the lowest bidder every year so the town re-hires him. Shame on the town but politics are politics.

    I don't know how he is making any money. I crunched his numbers too many times and I still come up in the red for him. There is no way he is making money if he is running a legal operation. Guys like him are nothing more than A-holes that are ruining it for the rest of us professionals. And I hope that he is on here and reads this since he is from lower NY.

    Enough venting from me.
    Good luck to the rest of us this year. We are going to need it.

    James
     
  9. topsites

    topsites LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 21,654

    Yeah...
    It's that same story every year anyhow :p
    Sad, but true.
     
  10. KT. Unlimited

    KT. Unlimited LawnSite Member
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    The only thing this will do is HURT OUR BUS. people dont seem to understand that evry time a donk bids a job like this it brings the ind. standard DOWN not UP where we all need it to go. When will it end the anser is NEVER!!!!!!!!! some one will always do it for less. and that my friends is the SAD TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     

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