Is this a deal on this Bobcat ZT219? 52", 19Hp Kawasaki

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by thefed, Aug 12, 2007.

  1. thefed

    thefed LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ohio
    Posts: 350

    I saw this mower on the side of the road and stopped, as I am now in the market for a nice ZTR.

    750 hrs on the clock

    19hp Kawasaki

    52"

    Tires look good, no visible leaks, comes with extra blades, oil and fuel filters etc


    Talkedhim down to $2900


    My main concern is the hours... I've only ever bought mowers with fewer hours on it...but I know 750 isn;t outrageous. It does, however, cloud my price-judging abilities!! How long should this Kawa go? 2000?
     
  2. J&R Landscaping

    J&R Landscaping LawnSite Fanatic
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    $2900 is a great deal! The engine should last till at least 2200-2500 hours. Why is it being sold?
     
  3. thefed

    thefed LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ohio
    Posts: 350

    he says he gave up and quit lawncare.//got a 'real' job. he tried for 2.5 yrs solo and it didnt work out
     
  4. Envy Lawn Service

    Envy Lawn Service LawnSite Fanatic
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    Bobcats are great machines.

    Just don't expect this one to be a big powerhouse... (19/52)

    And expect to do a LOT of air filter maintenace if it doesn't have the canister filter.

    Do you have the money available to "re-power" it with a larger engine if you don't like it?
     
  5. thefed

    thefed LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ohio
    Posts: 350

    i have heard of/used plenty of 19/52 hydro walk behinds that were powerful enough....do ZTR's differ somehow?
     
  6. DOLMARatOS

    DOLMARatOS LawnSite Member
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    It's a great buy if the unit looks visibly maintained. 750 hours is nothing really and that mower is $7200.00 new.

    They now come with 21HP Kawi engines and I drove through 2 acres of 10" grass today andthe Kawi just pulls right through. Torque is they key issue and a Kawi 19 or 21 will perform right along side a 25 HP Briggs or Kohler.

    You'll be happy with it, just follow the maintenance and replace the air-filters often if it doesn't have the canister style (already mentioned in previous post).
     
  7. Envy Lawn Service

    Envy Lawn Service LawnSite Fanatic
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    Walkbehinds are not near as heavy, do not run as big a hydro system and are not "expected" to mow at high ground speeds.

    If I had to choose between the two... I'd still rather ride...

    But you might want to try the mower out if you can before buying.

    I have a 23hp Kawi on a 52" and would certainly not want anything less for "my" applications. I have a 25hp Kawi on a 60" and feel exactly the same. I had a 21hp Kawi on a 48" and thought it was a TOTAL DOG compaired to the other IDENTICAL machine with a different engine on it. 19hp on a 52" has to be pretty weak. I see a lot of the 19/52 Bobcats for sale with low-low hours... and I think that is why.

    But if you can afford to buy the mower at such a low price, and then also afford to re-power if you feel it's needed... well then it's not a big deal...
     
  8. DOLMARatOS

    DOLMARatOS LawnSite Member
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    I agree with Envy about trying the unit in a real world grass-cutting situation. Cut the guy's lawn or something for him while you're there and go full bore to get a feel for how much grunt you've got and does it meet your mowing habits.

    As an aside note. HP and Engine size have more to do with what make/model unit you are driving than what size deck/engine combination.

    Example. 19/48 snapper ZTR with Kawi KAI engine, not bad but a little doggy at 9-10mph in 6" of grass. (This is probably due to the deck design, not enough room to get air and grass moving)

    21/52 Bob-Cat Pro-Cat ZTR with Kawi motor. No problems at 11-12mph in the same situation. Again I feel this is mostly the deck design.

    27/61 Scag Turf Tiger. These are the biggest pooches I've ever seen. Most of their problem lies in WAY too much parasitic loos of power in the deck. Mule drive, drive-shaft, gear box, then another belt. Plus they don't run fan-cooled hydros.

    It's always best to test something out in real world conditionsand see if it fits your needs. Regardless, I'd buy the mower if it looks to be in good shape and if a year from now you want to re-power...for $2000.00 or less you'vegot a new motor AND you have a 19hp to put on a walk, or another ZTR.
     
  9. J&R Landscaping

    J&R Landscaping LawnSite Fanatic
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    When I had a 52" bobcat "old style" rider, it had the 22hp kohler engine on it. It seemed good. I'm not sure I'd want the less amount of hp on some jobs but for the majority of them, I think 19 would be fine.
     
  10. SimonCX

    SimonCX LawnSite Senior Member
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    I have a zt219 with a 52" deck and I can personally say it is a very good mower. Mine has about 300hrs, it is a solid machine. It will cut very tall heavy grow just like big machine you just have to go alittle slower. Great mower, simple to do maintance and not a gas hog. If it is in good shape then the price is sounds good, I think there about $7200 new.
     

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