Is this a practical purchase?

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by J&R Landscaping, Dec 3, 2006.

  1. J&R Landscaping

    J&R Landscaping LawnSite Fanatic
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    I was out looking at trucks yesterday and came across a NEW F-350 dump truck at a really good price. The truck had a 6.8L V-10 in it and a 6 speed manual tranny with a 4:10 (I think) rear end.

    The truck is a 2005 left over and the dealer wants to unload it. The final price on it after some haggleing was $23,864. I really like the price but I am concerned about it only being 2wd.

    I know Brickman's trucks are all 2wd but they are also F-450 trucks so they are heavier.

    Any input is appreiciated!
     
  2. hosejockey2002

    hosejockey2002 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    What type of dump box does it have? As far as 4WD, unless you plow or take it off the pavement a lot 2WD should work fine. My 2500HD with a dump insert is 2WD and I've never spun a wheel. The V10 with 6 speed should be a powerful puller.
     
  3. J&R Landscaping

    J&R Landscaping LawnSite Fanatic
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    It had plenty of power but I do plan on plowing snow. Thats my overall question, will this being only 2wd be decent for plowing?
     
  4. LindblomRJ

    LindblomRJ LawnSite Silver Member
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    If you put a sander in the back or plenty of ballast, maybe have a set of chains at the ready, you would be okay. 4WD would be better. Offer him $20,000 if they balk, walk away.

    I have run a 76 Chevrolet, 83 Chevrolet and 91 Ford all 1 tons with dumps on them, the chevrolets had plows on them and worked fine.
     
  5. waltero

    waltero LawnSite Member
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    If you are going to plow get a 4wd truck, period. I don't care how much weight you plan on putting in the back, etc... If you do the same to a 4x4 you have a much better plow truck. You have to realize that the kind of plowing most people do is smaller lots, back and forth, stop and go. You will need the extra traction when you are changing direction, reversing and if you have to plow downhill it is even more important.

    Take a look at how a town might plow and you can see where they can get away with a 2wd on a larger truck. They usually have a larger medium sized truck over loaded and tend to plow on streets that allow them to keep up the momentum.

    The cost of 4x4 should also be added to the cost of snowplowing. You may have a 4x4 that you drive all year long, but the cost of the 4x4 should be charged to your snow plowing customers because you didn't use it in the summer. You need to charge an amount that will pay for thetruck, 4x4, plow, spreader, wear and tear, salt, your salary and any employees that you may have. If you try to work for less, you are cheating yourself and others.

    If you get a 2wd and commit to plow a whole bunch of residential and commercial lots and decide that because you didn't buy a 4x4, you can plow cheaper then the next guy etc...., when you get stuck and get behind or get slammed by a huge storm and can't move the snow, now you have to find someone to help you and you can't because they are busy, etc... you will wish that you spent the extra money, not to mention the cost in time and money if you do get stuck and have to wait for someone to pull you out. You have to realize that there is a huge difference between 2wd and 4x4. It sounds like you are going to be a one man show and if this is true then you need to prepare for the worse, Get the best equipment, have backup equipment or help from others in case you cannot finish the work. If you can't do the job and the corner gas station calls you and wants to know when you are coming and you say you just can't, they will call someone else and do you know who will pay that bill also???

    Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.


    Walter
     
  6. tthomass

    tthomass LawnSite Gold Member
    from N. VA
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    Aside from plowing will the truck serve its purpose for you?

    Example:

    I currently have a '02 Chevy 2500HD + a 10k GVW dump trailer. Even if I bought a 4500 I would still be in the same boat that I am now. Therefore I bought a 26k GVW Intl and now I really can "do more". BUT I will not be using it for plowing but if you already have a plow truck this is something to consider.
     
  7. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
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    I wouldn't buy a 2wd especially if you want to plow you don't want to use chains on peoples driveways. I have been running 2wd F-350s and F-450s for 14 years and use them offroad it is a pain like today I got stuck and cursing 2wd. A person doesn't use 4wheeldrive all the time but when you need it you need it.
     
  8. RockSet N' Grade

    RockSet N' Grade LawnSite Silver Member
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    I would want to know what your rear end ratio is....for reals. When you take it on the highway does it tach out at 55mph?
     
  9. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
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    A V-10 F-350 may have 4:30s but you would want 4:10s the V-10 is a screamer anyhow so your not going to be limited for speed.
     
  10. J&R Landscaping

    J&R Landscaping LawnSite Fanatic
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    It had no problem doing 75mph plus down the highway.

    I currently have a 94 f250 4x4 that I could put a plow on. I have been looking for a plow for it but havent found anything yet. This is ok though because I dont have any plowign customers yet, just potential customers but NO SIGNED CONTRACTS for plowing in hand. Just residential driveways that my snow blower will handle with ease!
     

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