ok, check out this job i did, and another i bid, for the same client: the guy wants a cleanup, he wants the beds edged, grasses cut back, a few dead shrubs removed, mulch put in, as well as the addition of 15 assorted foundation size plantings. we do the job. his wife pays the bill. she is sooo happy with the work. he comes home from work, sees his property, and is so happy, he feels the need to call me, and leave this messege:" bob, i can't believe what my eyes are seeing. the place looks the best it ever has. i am so proud, at this moment, to be the owner of this house. i want to thank you, and ask you to please call me, i have some work i want u to do at my office." so, i call, and say, "yea, what's up?" he has a business, and his place needs a cleanup. i go over. it's a crap hole. tall weeds, overgrown english ivy, a couple dead trees, maybe 3 yrs worth of rotted leaves.....i don't know, a really undesirable job. i say , "look, i'll, tell u what, the place is a dump, hasn't been maintained in yrs. i'll clean it up. i can't quote you a price, but, i'll go with $65 an hr + disposal at $90 a load. i can have a man here in 3 days." he goes, " WOW, i can't imagine paying that much. $65 an hr? i, don't even make that much. i'm afraid i'll have to decline." LITTLE DID HE KNOW, for the job at his house, it came out to about $80 an hr, per man! this is why u have to "hide" your fees.