Something I learned yesterday about the Kichler LED light fixtures kind of frustrates me. I am told that when designing systems with their LED fixtures, you have to account for more wattage than the fixture is actually labeled for. For instance, if you're using their 8.5 watt spot light, you need to account account for 12 watts. I was like, "Huh???" The rep. (from my supplier, not from Kichler) explained to me that he didn't understand it perfectly either but from his understanding it was something about how the LED fixtures aren't as efficient. So while they put out 8.5 watts of energy, they use 12 watts of energy to do so. Something about using more amp watts than a normal fixture??? That's when I got really confused. Not sure what amp watts are. Anyway, WTF? If the fixture consumes 12 watts, then why not just call it a 12 watt fixture? Why label it 8.5 watts but then tell everyone "Oh, sorry. That's just on the output side. You're actually going to need 12 watts to power it." Just call it a 12 watt fixture then, right?