Landscaper or Bullsh*****

Discussion in 'Landscape Architecture and Design' started by coolluv, Dec 27, 2007.

  1. MileHigh

    MileHigh LawnSite Silver Member
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    I said $600 solo a day...I didn't say over a $1000 a day solo. I was trying to make the point that If all you have are resi's and you have 20 to do in a day, It can be done....easily. 20x30=600...piece of cake! of course I'll make more off the commercials with a 4 man crew, but I love my resi's all by myself, making all the bread, running the show, with the windows down, smokin a menthol wide!(gross huh)
     
  2. mdvaden

    mdvaden LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,937

    I can basically just condense my background, and let someone decide if it's thorough:

    6 golf courses
    2 university campuses
    2 landscape companies

    horticulturist
    greenskeeper
    golf course superintendent
    crew leader
    foreman
    owner
    Certified Arborist & Certified Landscape Tech.

    2 years college w/ 3.60 gpa - letter of reference from college Dept. Head

    In hort since 1980 / in business since 1988
    About 3500 complete contracts of 1 hr to weeks long

    Appointed by Oregon's Governor to 2 terms on landscape board

    Can prune with the best of arborists
    Can design with the best of designers
    Can install very nicely, but not sure if up there with the best.

    That's it in a nutshell.
     
  3. Dirty Water

    Dirty Water LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 6,799

    Also, the only person in the pacific northwest who knows how to properly plant leyland cyprus.
     
  4. John Zaprala

    John Zaprala LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 283

    I agree with a lot of what is being said on this post especially the fact if these guys are bothering you b/c you feel threatened by them? These low-ballers do shotty work at best, still work hard (just not working smart), and apparently have their clients fooled. There are always going to be the trucks with a magnet on the side and two schlubs attempting to make a living. Some people just don't care about quality, only price. These pennypinchers are hard to satisfy b/c their budget is never realistic for a professional contractor.
    We are in a mixed market where I work and I always tell customers when getting bids from a few companies to run down a check list. By informing YOUR potential customer, you're already ahead of the other guy. Offer references, make sure they're comparing apples to apples (plant sizes, good design, warranties, reputation!), and most of all I say "Mrs. Jones, there's always going to be someone out there that will do the job for less than me, but there's a reason why our prices are at that level...Our nursery has been in the industry for over 20 years years now... All of our workers have at least 7 years of experience."
    Bottom line is, you need to let your market know what sets you apart for the competition. Is it experience? or are you a better BS'er? You decide
     
  5. Stillwater

    Stillwater LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,834

    do you expect to get a honest answer to this?
     
  6. Stillwater

    Stillwater LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,834

    From The American HeritageĀ® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
    Copyright Ā© 2006


    Landscaping is both science and art, and requires good observation and design skills. A good landscaper understands the elements of nature and construction, and blends them accordingly.

    An early Greek philosopher known for his view that "all is water," spent a considerable time thinking about the nature and scope of landscaping. Some of his students believed that in order for human activity to be considered landscaping, it must be directed toward modifying the physical features of the land itself, including the cultivation and/or manipulation of plants or other flora. Thales rejected this notion, arguing that any aspect of the material world affecting our visual perception of the land was a proper subject for landscaping. Both Plato and Aristotle praised Thales' analysis as a model for philosophy. In the early 20th century, British philosopher G.E. Moore cited Thales' reasoning as one of the few historical examples of how philosophical inquiry has led to genuine human understanding and progress.

    Philosophers in the 17th century debated whether visual beauty was a necessary goal of landscaping. With the advent of the positivists by the early 20th century, however, most western philosophers had rejected the notion of an objective esthetic standard for any form of art, including landscaping. Practitioners since the mid-20th century have experimented with jarring visual panoramas that are now generally accepted, at least in western societies, as falling within the scope of landscaping.
     
  7. Stillwater

    Stillwater LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,834

    you never made 600 in one day before? it really is not that hard to do unless your rates are so low it is impossible. 600 is not a lot of money
     
  8. Swampy

    Swampy LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,435

    Wow! and I'm just starting out in landscape horticulture. Thats got to be enough to fill the resume.
     
  9. Woody82986

    Woody82986 LawnSite Silver Member
    from DFW, TX
    Posts: 2,128

    To be honest, I don't really tout myself as a landscaper. More of a lawn care specialist who knows how to do random landscape installs. I learn a little bit more every year about landscaping and I try to find a place to do a new install of something I've never done before at a friends house or a relatives house to gain some no harm no foul experience. I don't claim to be a landscape professional and I rarely do any landscape projects for people who aren't already lawn care clients of mine.
     
  10. capetrees

    capetrees LawnSite Member
    from ma
    Posts: 217

    I've had the opportunity to work in the industry with a guy for almost the past 20 years and we have done every aspect of landscaping design and install and I am starting some jobs of my own for my lawn accounts on the side. This also never interferes with my main job. Problem I have is that I know how to do everything with that many years of experience but have no clue how to price the job. Is it by the day, by the hour, according to the materials used, machine hours, etc. Someone wants to pay hourly for getting the job done plus materials, they WILL get a great job. But then again, as many have told me, my prices should be higher for what I know and can do. $40 hour apparently isn't enough. Landscaper or designer. After 20 years of"seeing it all" in landscaping and general contracting, I can say safely, both.

    And don't get me started on those "lansdscape architects"!
     

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