This seems to be a popular post. I am looking into the landscaper supply mowers. I sifted threw the past threads, but there is too many opinions and not enough hard facts. I put another post up for the good things to keep things separated and more productive. I ask that if you have a bad thing to say about them keep it based on facts. eg. "I had to replace my hydro pump 2 times in 3 years." not "my toro is better" Thanks guys I think if we keep on the subject this will be a very helpfull thread for many people.