late fall/winterizer ??

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by americanlawn, Aug 14, 2008.

  1. americanlawn

    americanlawn LawnSite Fanatic
    from midwest
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    ....Traditionally, most LCO's put down 1 - 1 1/2 pounds of N for the "winterizer" app. This gives early green-up and helps turf to become thicker in early spring (giving it a head start before weeds can invade).

    Been checking "natural-organic" blends that offer up to only 16% N :confused:. Does this mean we have to apply 7 to 9 pounds per 1000 sq ft? :confused: If that's the case, my guys are gunna be really tired at the end of each day.....pushing spreaders with all that weight up & down hills, etc. :hammerhead:

    What are your thoughts?

    rscvp, thanks
     
  2. dishboy

    dishboy LawnSite Platinum Member
    from zone 6
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    Your right , you have to pay if you want to play.
     
  3. treegal1

    treegal1 LawnSite Gold Member
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    wow shocking, standard mind set for a chem guy both of you, I was under the impression that we had built the soil and added OM and humates and all that good stuff to the soil in advance!!! that way it did not need a little N fix so that it can wake up??? most organic lawn guys I have talked to add some HERD food and some fulvic and humic acid to tie up there excess N and keep the snow mold down! really the whole point of organic land care and sustainable was lost with you fellows. all you did was use the synthetic ferts to grow corn and soy to add to the lawns, then instead of adding fert you can market and add some NATURAL fert just to make the customer feel good and line your pockets. and a natural-organic blend whats that any ways, standard fert with some more happy label and feel good BS message about how we try to save the earth with out the use or less use of chems and fert, thats so lame, after you start to add the transport and fuel and handling and CORN, you did more damage than good and should just use the same old fert that evey other LCO does.


    this I got to hear from the fert guys ??? WHY DOES IT HURT THE EARTH TO USE ORGANIC BASED FERT BASED ON THE CALORIE INPUT TO YIELD RATIO????
     
  4. treegal1

    treegal1 LawnSite Gold Member
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    Re work your math there sport, maybe take a applicators refresh course???
     
  5. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    The mindset is different. The fall is when the grass is preparing for winter by storing as many carbohydrates in its system as possible. These carbs are now ready to be used as spring advances, and greens up as nice looking as it probably will for the rest of the season.

    Up here as the ground thaws and warms - the micro-herd begins its activity and starts to feed the plant as the plant feeds the herd.

    This is basically the natural cycle of turf. NPK in the early spring tends to bypass the normal wake up and provokes an unnatural push of leaf growth.

    I will personally be spreading a little bit of Milorganite on my lawns this fall, just incase we lost some nutrient value during the summer.
     
  6. dishboy

    dishboy LawnSite Platinum Member
    from zone 6
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    Slow down there TURBO! You make some pretty big assumptions . Where in my post did I mention my source of N
    or describe my program. My program builds the soil without syn fertilizers.I agreed that fall is the time to throw N. Do you jump on the guys case who bomb the yards with CCM in the spring? Before you post your self righteous crap lets go over your operation. Are your diesel engines 2008 or newer? If not do you realize how much you are polluting the air.......
    BTW I am not throwing the N to "wake up" the turf.
     
  7. treegal1

    treegal1 LawnSite Gold Member
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    not 7-9 lbs per k of 19% N???
     
  8. treegal1

    treegal1 LawnSite Gold Member
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    we dont need new motors we run svo and biofuels that we are growing algae to produce, and yes we think corn is real loser, and as far as i am concerned, pay to play is for,,,, lets just say I like to get paid for getting in the game!!!!!
     
  9. treegal1

    treegal1 LawnSite Gold Member
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    oh also DISHBOY, and I just love that, we have been making char out of waste and putting almost 60 tons of carbon back into our lawns every quarter, thats about 240 for the year, maybe you should get in your 2008 and get to see a real 0 input operation before you get started !!!!
     
  10. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Hi Larry,

    The application rate for Nutrients PLUS 16-2-3 is 3-6lbs/1000. Recommended rate of 4.3lb/1000 will cover 11,400 sq ft. This will provide 0.7 lb N/1000 sq ft. We recommend that in the second year the rate drops to 3.1lb/1000 sq ft. giving you 16,000 ft of coverage at 0.5 lb N/1000 sq ft.

    Nutrients PLUS Screamin' Green 16-2-3 is by far our best seller because it works. :waving:
     

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