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Discussion in 'Questions, Rules, Suggestions' started by Doc Pete, Jan 19, 2004.

  1. Doc Pete

    Doc Pete LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,469

    I never read the "complete rules" of Lawnsite. Sadly, I can see what bother some guy's. The "rules", if taken to the letter make it fairly hard to have a normal conversation about anything. I for one, think there should be much less rules, and more “common sense” used by the powers at be to regulate things. Gees, this supposed to be a forum to discuss stuff, not worry about stepping on a few toes.
    Please read all the rules below, again……There’s way too many for me…….
    DP



    By completing your registration and becoming a member at LawnSite.com, you have agreed to abide by and follow the rules created by ownership (listed below) at all times. There are no exceptions to the rules. LawnSite.com owned by Lawn Care Success has the right and option to change these rules without prior notice. All of the rules stated below refer to not only the public forums at LawnSite.com, but the Private Forums, e-mail and private messaging as well.

    1. Advertising of any kind is not permitted at this site unless you are a sponsor. If you are interested in becoming a sponsor, click here. This includes mentioning manufacturers, dealers, etc… in the forums or through LawnSite.com e-mail or private messaging. You are also not permitted to include phone numbers addresses, fax numbers, e-mail addresses, or web addresses or links in your posts, e-mail, private messages or signature lines.


    2. Links to and/or mentioning other Green Industry forum sites is not permitted at LawnSite.com.


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  2. 1MajorTom

    1MajorTom Senior Moderator
    Posts: 6,073

    Any good forum is going to have rules.

    Which rules seem to bother you?

    The one where you can't post about illegal activities?
    The one where you can't post pornography?
    The one where you can't post material that depicts violence?
    The one where hate speech will not be tolerated?
    The one where you can't victimize or harrass another member?

    These "rules" all seem like common sense to me.
    And I for one wouldn't want to belong to a forum that would condone this type of behavior. After all, this is a green industry forum.
    Sure glad Lawnsite does have "these rules" in place.
     
  3. John Gamba

    John Gamba LawnSite Fanatic
    from ct
    Posts: 10,812

     
  4. PaulJ

    PaulJ LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,776

    I think the first one is the hardest to follow, because I don't think most people follow it. If we did we couldn't mention anything be brand name. We would be reduced to talking about the red mowers or the yellow mowers, but which yellow mowers? Or the gadget that goes on a trimmer to help with edging? There is a difference between talking about what you use and like or don't like and trying to SELL something. I can understand the original spirit of the rule but I think you need to look at how restrictive the wording is.



    "This includes mentioning manufacturers, dealers, etc… in the forums or through LawnSite.com e-mail or private messaging. You are also not permitted to include phone numbers addresses, fax numbers, e-mail addresses, or web addresses or links in your posts, e-mail, private messages or signature lines.
    "


    The word "Mentioning" is just too broad of a term. A lot of products get "mentioned" here every day. how about pushing or selling or plastering or......


    And the part of not including links in posts seems way overboard. The only ones I have ever seen blocked are the ones that are to another lawn form but that's a whole different story.

    How about change rule one to "1. Advertising of any kind is not permitted at this site unless you are a sponsor. If you are interested in becoming a sponsor, click here. "
    And leave it at that.

    The rest of the rules seem in line and followable.


    Just my $.o2 on the subject.
     
  5. crawdad

    crawdad LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,939

    Excellent points, PaulJ. Rules number 1 and 7 are broken repeatedly, we couldn't answer a "Whats the best (mower, trimmer, etc)?" without mentioning manufacturers.
    It also says no exceptions, but these rule-breaking posts, and the people who wrote them, are allowed to stay.
    I could find rule-breaking posts all day long, but I am not an employee of this business, nor am I a snitch, so you won't see me ever hitting the "rat this post" button. Good thing, too, as I would take the rules literally until they were changed.

    I only use 3 rules, myself;
    1) Don't PO the boss-man, he can ban, or edit you without your breaking any rules. ("rules number 14, 15")
    2)Don't say anything you wouldn't say if the person was right in front of you.
    3) When in doubt, refer to rule #1
    Crawdad
     
  6. Doc Pete

    Doc Pete LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,469

    Well, since you're asking, and "carefully" choosing less "debatable" ones, however nevertheless, just what is "hate speech"? Next, how do vitimize someone with words, and just what is harrassing another member??? "Who" makes these decisions???
    DP
     
  7. Sean Adams

    Sean Adams LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,597

    Doc and Paul - both made good points, but so did Jodi.

    I would love to leave the interaction on this board to "common sense" but you wouldn't believe me if I told you some of the things people say and actually think it is OK. When the rules were too broad, people looking to cause problems would find smart little ways to side-step or jump over the wording.

    And Paul, I definitely agree with you. Of course members can discuss anything and everything, but the wording is in place so that when a dealer or a salesperson breaks the rule blatantly I can redirect them to the rules. And if I say, only if you aren't selling, then people find subliminal ways to do so....it's done all the time and very hard to keep track of, let alone moderate.

    I do believe that the rules will always be a work-in-progress to some degree because that's just the way it is.....
     
  8. Doc Pete

    Doc Pete LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,469

    Sounds like someone has grasped the original point of my post.
    Allowing rules be up to interpretation gives "all the power" to the owner. I don't like that...........
    DP
     
  9. Sean Adams

    Sean Adams LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,597

    Doc Pete...if you don't like the rules or the way they are interpreted, what do you suggest? I know what you don't like, but would definitely be open to your idea for a solution or ammendment. Let me know.

    crawdad....I cannot wait to meet you, and no matter what you say, I'm buying.
     
  10. DLS1

    DLS1 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,619

    Hey Doc Pete, me thinks you are bored and need some intellectual challenge.

    We are getting into the realm of original intent of the rules versus the letter of the law (rules). Only Sean knows the original intent of the rules now but that can change over the course of the history of the Lawn Site.

    The intent of the rules will always be changing in Sean's mind day to day according what kind of problems is on Lawn Site and who wants to look in Sean's mind to determine what the intent is today.



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