Liquid Fert Micros Vs Dry Greendoctor or Ric Maybe

Discussion in 'Fertilizer Application' started by WBuster, Aug 19, 2012.

  1. greendoctor

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    Salt is a very big issue here. On beachfront areas or sea level areas, I hate to see salt intolerant plants used. Salt is why I have kittens when a "landscaper" or builder imports red clay from inland to a beachfront landscape. If the area was left as sand, any salt is easily leached out with irrigation. Put a layer of red clay on top, the salt is really hard to move.
     
  2. greendoctor

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    Maybe. I have access to an industrial chemical vendor that sells citric in 50 lb bags. I need to dig up my formula for making small batches of Fe citrate.
     
  3. Duekster

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    There are plenty of those around here too.

    I should be able to figure it out but kind chicken to go that route but have considered it.
     
  4. Ric

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    South West Florida's Calcareous sand doesn't have Calcium issues because the parent material was Coral Shell. Our sandy is very loose and leaches ever thing.

    Because of our Calcareous sand and low CEC, Salt leach nicely with the use of Sulfur or Sulfate compounds. In addition St Augustine has a high Salt Tolerant and 1600 PPM stead irrigation will finally Kill it. Bermuda only needs 700 PPM salt to kill it.

    Of course Seashore Paspalum is the most salt tolerant and Golf Course on our barrier Islands irrigate it will a Sea water Fresh water combination or mix. BTW the average sea water is 35,000 PPM of salt. Brackish water is any thing over 1,000 PPM million and at 1,000 PPM is the upper limit of potable water for mammals .

    About a month ago I was talking with a local Greens keeper. He had just order Seashore Paspalum SEED @ $ 600 a pound. The reason being their well had turn brackish and is killing the Bermuda.

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  5. WBuster

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    Wow $600 a pound wouldn't it be cheaper to use city water lol I do have a question. I was thinking about what greendoctor said earlier that if you use micros and use them in bad combinations it can actually bind or lockup the soil from using nutrients. The more I thought about that comment the more I got worried throughout the day. I currently use brexil nutro or multi generally switch from year to year. But everyone of my lawns gets it they all look great so I don't foresee any problems? But could I quite possibly be causing myself problems in the long run? Should I be worried? I google this but didn't come up with much or anything with good info. Can any of you guys point me in the right direction of some really good articles or websites where I can better my knowledge of micros and avoiding combinations that may lockup the soil?
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  6. Duekster

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    Soil test.
    I think most of what he is talking about is extreme. If you are feeding light micros in the right balance and doing it foliar then most of the product is taken up by the plant.

    I would not lose sleep over it.
     
  7. cgaengineer

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    White clay is call "well dirt" around here...it usually means high water table
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  8. Duekster

    Duekster LawnSite Fanatic
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    It means there is little to no OM in there.
     
  9. greendoctor

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    OK, stop worrying. If you are using your average micronutrient mix containing everything, with an emphasis on iron, manganese and magnesium, it is hard to get in trouble. Most of your mixes intended for use on turf, ornamentals, and general field crops are made that way. Brexil is a good general purpose blend. I cannot imagine it being harmful otherwise there would be lots of angry farmers. I do use a couple of mixes that are made that way for general maintenance of sites that do not have specific issues. The only time you run into trouble is when applying anything that is already at high levels in the soil.
     
  10. greendoctor

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    Salty water and sand are the appropriate place for Seashore Paspalum. This grass is hard to keep on acidic or even alkaline clay that does not have enough salt in it. It is quickly over run by bermuda and all manner of grassy weeds unless conditions are too sodic for anything else to survive.
     

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