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Liquid iron with granular programs?

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by toxic man, Jan 2, 2005.

  1. toxic man

    toxic man LawnSite Member
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    I have read so much about the use of liquid iron and how green it makes the grass. Are there any substitiutions for the liquid iron for the desired effect? What component of granular iron is most like the ones in a liquid form? Is there any substitute for a liquid iron feeding? I would really like my lawns to stand out in a BIG way, and have the best lawns as possible.

    My program is all granular with weed control performed by liquid.

    As always

    Thank you in advance!

    Weed Solutions
  2. ThreeWide

    ThreeWide LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,116

    Sounds as if you are asking how to apply iron in your program if most of your applications are granular.

    A number of Lesco granular fertilizers have a percentage of Iron in the blend, some as much as 10%. You might also work with your supplier to get a custom blend that includes a good portion of Iron. This is would be the easiest way to incorporate Iron in your program.

    To get the best results, the liquid form is more effective. Cheleated Iron or Ferrous Sulfate will often produce visible results 24 hours after application.

    But since your programs are granular, you will be adding extra labor and cost by spraying Iron during the same stop. Unless you switch to all liquid programs, consider making liquid iron apps an additional service that your higher end clients would be willing to pay for.
  3. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 11,956

    Toxic man

    Yes there is a granule that gives the same if not better response than Liquid Iron. IRONITE, however it does take a little longer to show response, it last much longer. Now Cost might be a factor you may want to consider.
  4. toxic man

    toxic man LawnSite Member
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    Hey guys thanks for the tips. Now, can you get a chelated iron in a granular form. I have done a search for pricing on ironite and cannot find one? The label says 5lb/k how long will this last? And what is milogranite?

  5. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    Surely you Jest. What is Milorganite? It is good old Pollock Poop straight from the City famous for polish immigrates and Beer. You can read all about in in the Tree Hugger forum just below this one. They love Poop of all kinds in that Forum.
  6. Neal Wolbert

    Neal Wolbert LawnSite Senior Member
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    Ric, Does Ironite last longer than 3 weeks? I don't mean from the date of application but from the date of green up. Quality chelated liquid micronutrient products can easily deliver 21 -28 days greening during the growing season, much longer in the winter and responses are usually visible within a few minutes, not hours. Product cost...$.50-$1.00/1000 sq. ft. depending on rate. If you can spray weeds you can spray micros. Neal
  7. ThreeWide

    ThreeWide LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I've been through this drill once before, and had difficulty finding Ironite through anyone other than retail channels. In fact, Home Depot was the only supplier anywhere in my area.

    Lesco sells a granular product they call Iron Plus, but the cost is $1.90 per 1,000 sq ft. You can see why the liquid products are much better from a cost perspective.

    Also take this for what it's worth....this is just something I was told.....

    Another local LCO fert specialist who has a lot more experience than I recently said one of his clients had been using Ironite regularly. He stated that the Ironite created problems because it added too much boron into the soil. For that reason, he is not suggesting Ironite.
  8. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    Every area is going to have a different Response time and a different residual time. Depends on the Metabolism of the turf and the CEC of the soil,Etc. It also depends on the turf species. Liquid Iron will turn Bahia dark green as you spray it, St Augustine doesn't response as quick or as dark a green. Our sandy soils won't last as long as clay, but we seem to get more than 60 days of dark green out of Ironite. However it is not cheap per thousand cost.
  9. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    On turf Slow Release Granules are a better way to apply Fertilizer and preventive pesticides. Slower response time but longer residual. The only need for Liquids are post emerge herbicides and acute pest control as in active insects or fungus. Most lawn mowing-pesticide operations really have no need for a large spray tank other than to look the part. A small 25 gallon spot sprayer is all that is needed and then only if you are treating large areas. Back packs can do most spot treatment jobs.

    Now Fungicide is the one exception that really is easier to apply with a large pump that Agitates the tank. Granule do not work fast enough, in fact they generally can't be up taken by the diseased plant. However Systemic Liquids can get in foliar and start the cure. If you don't have a large pump and wish not to buy one, Then Cleary's 3336 fungicide can be used even in a back pack.

    Shrubs and Trees are a different story and require more spray pesticides than turf. However granular Merit is now labeled for ornamentals and can make up for a lot of spraying. You can in fact get away with a hose end sprayer and Insecticidal soap and Hort oil in most cases.

    Now all this no spray talk is coming from a guy that uses Cab over spray trucks with PTO driven Hydra cell pumps with multiply tanks and hose reels. The advantage in spray is production, yet Granules can be spread faster. However spray tanks can mix a cocktail and apply multiply products at the same time. However you have to have a large volume to pay the difference between a $ 350 spreader and $ 60,000 spray truck.

    Cost of Material: Yes granules are more expensive in general and especially Combined products. However once again look at the Equipment costs.
  10. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    Turf Unlimited

    I missed you post the first time around, maybe I was typing.

    Yes what works for you might not work for me and Vice-a verse-a. We are all in different Cold hardness zones and have different soil. We each must find out what works for us, at a cost we can make a profit. Can we charge more and use more expensive products and still compete??? The trick is not making the grass grow dark green. It is doing it at a profit.

    BTW I have a wholesale source for Ironite. However it is still expensive per thousand compared to $ .20 per thousand for liquid iron.

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