Looking for fixture for top of brick column

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by JimLewis, Sep 10, 2007.

  1. JimLewis

    JimLewis LawnSite Fanatic
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    I have a client who we are doing some extensive outdoor lighting for. And at the entrance of their driveway, they have these brick columns (like the one pictured below). Currently there is a 110w fixture on top of the columns. But they'd prefer to have these fixtures be low-voltage too and come on and off at the same times as the rest of the lighting we're doing.

    I usually prefer to use Unique. But they didn't have anything. Next, I checked Kichler. They have one urn / planter fixture that would work. But it's $900 and a kind of different. So the customers weren't totally sold on that fixture. I checked Focus and some others and didn't see anything that would work. Do you guys know of any brand that offers a LV fixture specifically for this purpose?

    If you do know of one, a link to that fixture would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.


  2. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Hi Jim

    Instead of changing out the fixture why not try changing the lamps inside and tying the switch/control of these line voltage fixtures into the control system for the LV landscape lighting?

    I would recommend you use the 4w silicone dipped candelabra based lamps from Westinghouse in that fixture you sent the photo of. They look like candles when on and do not overpower the surrounding landscape lighting.

    If however the fixtures in your application use medium base lamps, then get a hold of some Sylvania 35W 130V WFL PAR20 lamps. By putting a directional PAR20 Halogen lamp in place of the standard A19 40w lamp you remove all of the glare from the fixture and fill it with a nice soft indirect glow. I do this 'trick' on pretty much every single 120V wall or post mounted fixture I encounter on my jobs.... The clients LOVE it every time.

    At the very least, put a dimmer on the existing circuit to the line voltage fixtures to reduce the amount of light and glare coming from them. Tie it all in with a UPB control system and all your outdoor lighting can come on at the same time.

    Have a great day.
  3. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
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    James is right on the money here Jim. You could make that fixture LV by just changing the wireing and installing 12v candelabra's. You can get 7w frosted and really soften it up.
  4. wbaptist

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    Another good trick is to remove the glass from the fixture and have it sandblasted. This will really cut down the glare.

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  5. JimLewis

    JimLewis LawnSite Fanatic
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    I think what you guys are describing is beyond what I am really familiar with or capable of doing. Removing a fixture and installing a new one is something I can handle. But custom ordering some specialty candelabra thingy and silicone dipped bulbs, changing switches, adding dimmers, etc. That's all more work than I want to invest into this project. Plus, that all sounds quite foreign and new to me. I never like to attempt things on customer's property where I am not confident in my skills.

    Also, FWIW, these columns are at the entry to the driveway, which is a ways away from where we are doing the rest of the LV lighting. They shouldn't get in the way of the other lighting we're doing. So I don't think that will be a concern.

    I just wish there was a simple LV fixture I could put in this place.
  6. JoeyD

    JoeyD LawnSite Silver Member
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    I think James could have scared you off but really you could use the existing wire that runs from the bottom of the fixture and wire it to a low voltage cable just scrapping the ground wire. You then just put in place 12v lamps and your done, your lamps are now low voltage. It is pretty easy. Other than that what you can do is leave those fixtures as they are but just have a timer installed on that circuit. You then set the time to go on when your LV lights go off. I bet the homeowners have a switch for those lights to overide.

    Also if there is a switch you could install one of those cool switch timers that fit in place of the light switch. You can set the on off time there and the homeowners still have the abilty to turn the lights on and off manually as they please.

    Call me if you want to discuss this verbally.

    Joey D.
  7. INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting

    INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Jim... both of my suggestions involved nothing more then changing the light bulbs in the existing fixtures! If they are candelabra base (small chandalier bulbs) then buy some 4 watt silicone dipped bulbs from Westinghouse. If they are medium base (normal light bulbs) then use the 35W PAR20 bulbs as replacements. Either way it will look great and not need any new wiring. Won't cost you much at all either.
  8. Pro-Scapes

    Pro-Scapes LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Jim dont be frightened off... Give Chuck or AJ a call at florida outdoor lighting ... they got the bulbs in stock to do this. Just let em know what sized base you got and the wattage you need. At the base of that post or someplace should be an electrical line.

    As an alternative you can use a control system (UPB controlscape or x10 or similar) with a dimmer switch and just tie the line voltage lights into your controls for the landscape lighting.

    Its really a walk in the park but either way your going to need an electrician on the jobsite.
  9. ccfree

    ccfree LawnSite Member
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    Hey Jim, check out arroyocraftsman, SPJ, or Hanover Lantern. They should have what you are looking for.
  10. NightScenes

    NightScenes LawnSite Silver Member
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    We convert fixtures like this all the time. As been stated here, we just replace the lamps (light bulbs) with 12 volt lamps and then terminate the line voltage wires coming in and hook the fixtures up to our low voltage system. You would definately want to use frosted lamps here.

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