mini ex or ctl

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment & Pavement' started by EH909, Feb 6, 2013.

  1. Scag48

    Scag48 LawnSite Fanatic
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    If you have $40K to work with just lying around at the age of 20, I'd say you should stick with whatever it is you're doing and not screw around in this business.
     
  2. LandFakers

    LandFakers LawnSite Fanatic
    from CT
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    Who has 40k to start a business???? I started my business with 2500 bucks and a neighborhood full of accounts already aqcuired. If you have 40k to work with I would say dont bother buying equipment, Get the work, Rent the equipment, charge accordingly, and you will be making money, and finding out which machine would be more valuable in your operation. Do you have the truck and trailer to haul around your new mini ex?
     
  3. N.E.MCH

    N.E.MCH LawnSite Member
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    There is some real truth to this comment.:clapping:

    I think I can add to it ....

    I started my own business 12 yrs ago...and was faced immediately with an equipment dilemma...I worked for a large nursery for 6yrs prior to starting my own landscape construction company, I worked at my real job during the week and started side work on the weekends. The side work was going very well and I was making much more on the weekends then I was at the nursery. Well it went like this.....I had a side job come up which as I figured would take me 3 weeks solid to complete, but it would be the equivalent to 6months salary at the nursery....I couldn't do both. So I gave my employer a 2 month notice....I wanted to maintain the best possible relationship...so I gave them way more than 2weeks. The big side job was completed and I had seriously miscalculated what equipment rental was going to do to my profit:hammerhead:. Basically I made half of what I expected....and you can't pass equipment rental costs off on your client....at least not here anyway....after all there are dozens of other companies ready and equipped to do the job....(So the dump truck and backhoe rental for 3 weeks I ate)....I had figured that what I paid in rental fees for that one job was the same as making monthly payments on a brand new skid steer for a year!!!:dizzy:....I bought a brand new skid steer 2 weeks later, less than 2 months in business...

    My opinion is this.....first off if you have 40K, do not drop it on a piece of equipment! Invest it in your future!....take a piece of it and use it as a down payment on a machine, finance rates are so stupidly low it just makes more sense....I view my major purchases like this "so its gonna cost me $550. a month......can I work it 5 1/2 hrs a month" if you can use the machine just one day a month it has paid for itself

    Now CTL vs... Mini Ex for your first piece......I say neither....a CTL has very very high maintenance costs (ie undercarriage and tracks)...and a Mini is too limited.....save yourself 15000$ buy a skid steer, rent whatever attachment you may need for a given job until you can afford to start buying them...then after you have a feel for how things are going and are financially stable buy a mini....then you have it all covered with the two machines.....upgrade to a CTL later on...when you can gauge how your business is doing

    Just my 2 cents.......and as several have mentioned....going to work for someone else for a few years is greatly to your advantage!!!!!!!!!
     
  4. EH909

    EH909 LawnSite Member
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    Understood. I have work for landscape and two excavation companies since I was 15 and am close to all the owners and they have been helpful along the way, as well as now. They too have provided great insight and have offered their support down the road. I was quoted $54,000 at 0% for 42 months for a fully loaded 2013 35D. I am thankful for all your guys help and defiantly won't be running out tomorrow and buying anything
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  5. buzzyng

    buzzyng LawnSite Member
    from OR
    Posts: 82

    Wish you the best in your pursuit. I started out wanting to buy new and finance but stayed on CL/MT/etc until I found a great deal. I got tired of renting even though I was making money on it, I really wanted to have my own equipment. THree years ago ended up with a 257b2 with 80 hours for 30k. Financed it by using my truck as collateral and paid 2.9%. Even with the ~$2k in interest, it was thousands cheaper than a new one at 0%

    I also picked up a Cat 305 with less than 500hrs for $40k, 4 buckets, thumb, cab. Used my truck again as collateral.

    THe advice on here is priceless and I also wouldn't buy new, still a lot of good deals if you are willing to search. Two of the credit unions we use offer a low interest loan if it is secured by a savings account. So you could have $40k in savings to get $40k to buy equipment. The work gets you money to make the payments but your capital is safe and not tapped out.

    Good luck
     
  6. rawtoxic

    rawtoxic LawnSite Member
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    If you have cash on hand don't buy brand new equipment the only time I can justify buying new equipment is that I need it financed or it's new and not available in the preowned market. Just like cars equipment depreciates the second it's off the sales lot. Buy a year old model with 200 hours or less on it. I was able to buy our $30k skid steer for $8k less than new with 92 hours on it remember the adage 'cash is king'. The most successful people I know in construction own all there equipment outright and if they can't afford it they rent until it justifies purchase. I tore my ACL in my knee skiing the other winter and setup a much slower year to recover if I had a bunch of equipment payments I couldn't had that luxury. Another angle to consider is my local equipment (Case) dealer will do rent to own programs where 90% of your rental costs go towards purchasing the equipment you gain experience in testing models etc, I was able to try out 4 excavators over a 2 year period before purchasing one and they actually sold me the rental I had used for fair market value.
     
  7. treemover

    treemover LawnSite Senior Member
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    x2 on that statement!! stay doing whatever u are doing
     
  8. mellimac

    mellimac LawnSite Member
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    Haha, I like your view. I was thinking it would be a good way to go too, but I think if a young guy can save 40k, maybe he is good to go. Who else on this board saved 40Gs by 20? Certainly not me...:hammerhead:
    Although, it wouldn't hurt to work for a multi-platform company if possible to get a feel for a wide range of machinery.
    Buying that first piece of metal is important, both from a utility perspective (can it do what folks want done in your hood) and that it isn't a repair daily machine. Also, consider resale value of machinery in your hood. Getting a good deal on a piece of metal that doesn't have a parts dealer nearby could sink/stall you. You don't want to wait weeks for a part...been there....
    It's human nature to want to own their own piece of heavy metal, and it motivates one to learn it inside out. Plus, when folks see my machine in the hood (make it visible and tag the crap out of it - telephone/name etc.) they have me top of mind for excavating gigs. All the best.
     
  9. EH909

    EH909 LawnSite Member
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    Thanks guys. Parents are pushing for me to continue pursuing a lineman apprenticeship but I just have such a love for equipment and operating, that it's all I want to do. (I'm not affraid of a good stick of hickory and working with my hands in the dirt either though).
     
  10. stuvecorp

    stuvecorp LawnSite Fanatic
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    Would you not mind being a lineman? I think that can be a pretty good deal and at nothing else it can be a fallback and potentially very good contacts with it. Do the apprenticeship but why not do some sideline work? Get yourself a single axle and Takeuchi 130 and maybe even a mini x, with that 40 large you should be able to get rolling with solid equipment.

    Remember, someone with skills is always compensated better than a shovel holder...
     

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