My NEW eXmark Lazer Z X-Series with RED technology

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing Equipment' started by TLS, May 11, 2013.

  1. GMLC

    GMLC LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I need to demo a 61" cheetah on my accounts. In the parking lot at the dealer didnt do it justice.
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  2. GMLC

    GMLC LawnSite Platinum Member
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    I also use the Amsoil small engine. Great stuff!! I love the US flag on your machine!!!!!
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  3. TLS

    TLS LawnSite Fanatic
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    Two days after I brought it home, the ROPS was removed. Doing this took weight off the rear of the mower. I found myself at a loss of traction, and as soon as the front end pointed down hill, rear traction was gone.

    I looked into it further and found a steel plate bolted to the underside of the foot platform. As soon as I removed this, it went back to normal. I think the balance is even better now!

    Here is everything I removed and the respective weights of each (lbs):

    Weight Plate - 21.5
    U section of ROPS - 23.5
    Trim side ROPS post - 7.0
    Seatbelt - 2.0
    OEM discharge chute - 5.5

    That's 59.5 pounds of unneeded "stuff"

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  4. mtmower

    mtmower LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Back on topic!!

    Now that's some useful information for sure! Was the plate you removed just for ballast or did it have some other function. Did you ever figure out a way to reroute the fuel vent tubes that ran through the lower ROPS upright so you could eliminate the complete system?

    I'm right there with you on the LOFs. I do my first around 4 hrs. Second around 49 hrs. Then switch at the third change to Amsoil. I also use Amsoil filters when available on all changes and if not I use OEM filters. One difference is when switching to Amsoil I usually bump the viscosity up the next notch. This is due to finding oil pressure dropping slightly on previous engines when making the switch. I had a 24 Honda on my first SZ that when good and hot when I came down to idle or kicked on the deck pto at low rpms the oil light would flicker. Dealer check it out and found no problems. Called Honda and they said they do not recommend synthetics in their engines supposedly (this is back in '98ish). Bump up to a 10w-40 synthetic and all was well. I believe the next step in Amsoil small air cooled engine oil is a 15w-40 IIRK.

    P.S. I'm calling your insurance provider and giving here this thread!!!!!:nono::laugh:
     
  5. TLS

    TLS LawnSite Fanatic
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    Funny you mention the oil light!

    My first demo was a 24hp Honda SuperZ. I thought it was a dog (power wise), and it's what prompted me to go with the biggest engine at the time 28EFI. The oil pressure light did flicker at idle and I mentioned it to the rep.

    My oil pressure light DOES slightly flicker on the new eXmark at idle when it's hot. No other time. And this is with straight 30 weight. A thin 10W-30 Mobil-1 for instance would likely keep it on more often. If I was into straight weight oil, I guess I could go to 40 weight during the summer.

    I read where the small engine HD30/10W-30 is a pretty thick oil viscosity wise, so I don't think there will be issues with this.
     
  6. mtmower

    mtmower LawnSite Bronze Member
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    TLS I'm coming out your way next week and wish I had a little extra time to meet you. I'll be in New Holland for my parents 50th. Already have a full schedule with trying to see family and all. Even have three demos set up. Scag, Exmark, and Ferris. Might as well try them somewhere since it's close to impossible here. It's night and day from here to there when it comes to availability of service. My mother's side of the family is in the Telford area. I'm trying to brace myself for the humidity again!
     
  7. TLS

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    New Holland isn't too far from where I work my morning job, and Telford isn't too far from where I live. Humidity isn't all that bad....yet. What dealers are you visiting for the Demos?
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  8. puppypaws

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    We are not discussing reliability, we are talking smoothness and functionality. I can drive a mower 100', turn around and drive it back an know exactly how the hydro's feel and operate. I'm only looking for the response and dampening of the system, that's all that interest me.

    I've operated Scag, Toro, Exmark, Bad Boy, Bobcat, Woods, Great Dane, Gravely, Hustler, and Ferris that I can think of off hand. Some of these mowers I've operated extensively, some only a short time, but all long enough to fully understand the feel and smoothness of their hydraulic operation. I am now going to find out if all you say is true about the 400 series Gravely. I can already tell you the Gravely will not ride and operate as good as my longer, heavier Super Z with flex forks and suspension seat, but if it just so happens that it is comparable or I should consider it better, I can promise, you will hear the truth.

    I will run them in the same area while moving from one mower to the other, this way there is no forgetting how the ride actually feels, when too much time elapses between operation of two mowers the human mind can transform the thought process.
     
  9. GMLC

    GMLC LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Actually I have had hydro systems feel better after time so 100' is not a good test IMO. Plus without reliability all else is worthless. Just like the cut quality of the VX4. A machine without good cut quality is worthless to me. Everything else may be perfect but double or triple cutting is a waste of time.

    Dont forget to post pics of your 400 series demo.
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  10. puppypaws

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    That is only due to difference of cutting in my area versus yours, what is useless to you in your area may be more profitable due to time being money for LCO's in my area. The cut of the VX4 must be as satisfactory to those that mow for a living in my area; as it is to me, if this were not fact my dealer would not have sold well over 200 of the Hustlers this year.

    He has sold around 400+ Hustlers and Bobcats combined this year, and around 50 Gravely's, I realize you have no idea of what this means, but it means Gravely is picking up a larger share of his sales than in previous years, which is a good thing for his business.

    I see trailers with Super Z's and X-ONE's constantly, along with seeing many others physically mowing grass in large numbers, as a matter of fact, for every one Gravely I see mowing or on a trailer, I will see 30 Hustlers filling the same need.

    The LCO's in this area of the country are picking up on the Gravely's, but I really don't understand why it has been so slow, is there that much difference in price?

    I know my dealer said he could sell a new Hustler Super Z HD 60" for $11,600, that seems like a good price, but I honestly don't know.

    What would the going price be for a comparable 400 series Gravely?

    Maybe someone else can give the price they've been quoted for the Super Z HD and the 400 series Gravely in their area as a comparison.
     

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