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My ship came in!

Discussion in 'Landscape Architecture and Design' started by NickN, Feb 21, 2004.

  1. NickN

    NickN LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Alabama
    Posts: 1,010

    Unfortunately,it sank before docking.
    Here's the situation.
    Customer who's trying to sell their home calls up.(I've already seen a bit of work going on there regarding their siding.They have a DryVit home.) I take care of their lawn as well all the shrubs,etc.,,
    Anyway,they have a problem.The soil next to their home HAS to be 6" below where the DryVit starts.(The DryVit was below the soil before they had the repairs made) Well,the contractor who repaired the home moved the DryVit right above the footer,so the soil in the beds is about 4-5 inches above the bottom of the DryVit still.(They dug a trench around the home to keep the soil off.) They had the home inspected and the inspector told them the beds had to be 6" below where the DryVit starts and had to slope away from the home.(There goes the French drain idea)
    After the customers leave,I start to take measurements.I run a line level from 6" below the DryVit to the edge of the beds in various locations.I dug a trench in these locations until I came up level.Now picture this.The beds would vary from 8-10" below the grassline.Basically a big mote(like around a castle) would be left to stay within specs.Also,all the shrub and huge holly trees would have to come out and be re planted(8-10" inches below the grassline in the bed)
    Can you guys picture this?Any ideas I get from you?My only thoughts right now are to RUN the other way as fast as I can.
    Also,one of the beds has the drive next to it.So the bed would then be 10" below the driveway in this spot because the soil is still within 6" of the DryVit there.
  2. Coffeecraver

    Coffeecraver LawnSite Senior Member
    from VA.
    Posts: 793

    I think I would ask Dryvit what were the recomendations on this

    A little info from the other side

    Synthetic Stucco
    When EIFS continues below ground level, any opening in the finish could allow wood destroying organisms, such as termites, to enter through the insulated sheathing into the wood framing.
    We often find the bottom lip is not properly finished and the insulated sheathing is actually exposed. EIFS should terminate 6" above the finished ground level and the bottom lip should be properly wrapped and sealed. This will allow a visual inspection of any wood destroying organism crawling up the outside of the foundation.
    Some of the Pest Control Companies are refusing to issue a "Termite Letter" on any structure that has EIFS or slab insulation below grade.
  3. NickN

    NickN LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Alabama
    Posts: 1,010

    Thanks!That's great info.
    The problem is I already know what needs to be done,I just can't figure a way to make it look decent.I gotta start 6" below the DryVit and slope it away from the home.Since the soil is still above the DryVit(even after the repair) that means the grass line is going to be waaaaaaay above the flower beds because of the slope.
    I've been racking my brain.So far,the best method to me is to pull everything out(soil,shrubs,mulch) and start from scratch.Then re work the soil to meet code and have the water run away from the home.Then use white marble as mulch instead of wood.That way the bed won't appear as low.
    Or I'm just gonna pass on this one.
  4. MudslinginFX4

    MudslinginFX4 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,170

    I think I would run away from this one. It sounds like since they are going to be selling their house they are looking for a cheap job and not a quality one. It may make you bad later down the road. JMHO
  5. Coffeecraver

    Coffeecraver LawnSite Senior Member
    from VA.
    Posts: 793

    "shrub and huge holly trees would have to come out "

    Plant the shrub and holly somewhere else.
    "Customer who's trying to sell their home "

    Use stone to lightly cover the moat.

    You could boarder the moat with boulders and plant Perennials against them,or use red twig or yellow twig Dogwood mixed with inkberri holly to accent the house
  6. D Felix

    D Felix LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,898

    If you want to do the work, give an ESTIMATE, not a bid. Tell them this is what you think it will cost, but only if everything goes right. It should be a T&M job, there's too much you can't see underground.

    I would probably walk, if it were me though.:D

    Can the grade slope away from the house 3-4', where you could then install a drain pipe? I could see a "lower level" terrace around the house, retained by a wall. That would be the "moat" you are talking about, only it would be 4' from the house, instead of all the way out to the edge of the bed...

    Got any pics? Hard to visualize without pictures....


    DUSTYCEDAR LawnSite Fanatic
    from PA
    Posts: 5,137

    i would skip this job
    drivit is a great product however there have been many houses that have had it installed wrong and the company has been sued so much i am not sure how they r hanging on.

    anyway they gave the recamendations to move the dirt down to cover there azz.
    anything u do has the possibility to flood the house and could get u sued drivet will blame it on u and homeowners insurance will not pay for it unless they have flood insurance.
    if they can pin it on u they will.
    this was a poorley graded house to start with and what u said they want you to do to fix it sounds like a HUGE problen waiting to happen
    just move on
  8. NickN

    NickN LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Alabama
    Posts: 1,010

    Thanks for the replies.The thought of getting sued over something that wasn't my fault to begin with has me wanting to tell them no.That's been on my mind as well.They could take the easy way out and sue me since they're having trouble selling their home anyway.
    Anyway,o-so-n-so is coming by next week to look at with me.This has the potential to be a large sum job or a large sum nightmare.Also,the fact that this home is built on a slope means that some parts of the beds are ok.The fact that I have to remove so much soil in parts of the beds leaves me with an uneven bed in my mind.Ya know,high,then low,then back high again.
    Here's a pic of the home,back last summer before any work was done to the DryVit.It's hard to get an idea from this perspective,because it looks fairly level in the pic.However,there is a two foot drop from front to rear and you can kinda see how much drop there is beyond the driveway.
    <img src="http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-9/410513/Carlile.jpg" width=614 height=461>
  9. iowapride

    iowapride LawnSite Member
    from Iowa
    Posts: 59

    Just a thought, what about building a swale that drains to the left of the house. It looks like there is plenty of fall there. Hard to tell, but it looks like something can be done to fix the problem.
  10. NickN

    NickN LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Alabama
    Posts: 1,010

    hmmm...That might work!A swale sounds like it may be the only solution.Never thought of putting one in a bed before.I'll give it a look with o-so-n-so and we'll see if that might work.

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