and not just with my lawn but, my head according to the wife! Anyway, I am in the Piedmont area of NC, I believe it is considered a transistion zone for grasses. I have a TTF lawn, with 4 small trees, 90% full sun 90% of the day and a septic system. I have 2 sprinklers that I make sure to get down a minimum of 1" of water a week. Right now in my area, we are in a "moderate" drought according to the NWS. By my calculations, we are over 10" below normal in rainfall, and that is within 1/2" of what the weather man just acknowledged on the 5pm weather. Ok, here goes..and let me apologize for such a long winded post. I figure if anyone takes the time to read it, they will understand I try to be pretty detailed so everyone can analyze everything going on with this yard. Last year, I completey "nuked" my entire 28k lawn because the previous owner did not take very good care of it AND Bermuda was taking over. I took my pull behind sprayer, used a knock off of roundup and went to work. Killed it once, killed it twice and sprayed areas I THOUGHT even looked a little green a third time. When I finished that, I had a soil test done, applied the suggested amount of lime and then waited for the temps to cool and rain to fall before I core aerated VERY well and reseeded the entire lawn using Lesco's Tri-Gold TTF and Lesco's 18-24-12 The grass started to come in within 2 weeks and looked beautiful come spring time. It was amazing how it looked and well, it still is the talk of the neighborhood even though right now, it is lush and dark green but, several issues are taking place. Thats why Im trying to make a "call" on what is the best thing to do at this time. Move forward 4 months and instead of having a buddy of mine who buys from Lesco get my fertilizer, I went with what I have always used and that is Scott's. Yes, its a little expensive but, for the average homeowner, I dont think there is a better way to go. I am a firm believer in "you get what you pay for" This is why years ago I went from using the local "feed and seed mill" crap to Scotts. There is a difference from one to the other and Im sure all the pros here know that. Its the average homeowners that usually dont understand this and throw any and everything out on their yard and expect a miracle. Anyway, winter ended I began the 4 step program and all was going pretty well until.....Mid-summer, we got a bad case of dollar spot/brown patch. I "cured" that with some horribly expensive products from a local nursery. I think THAT may have been caused by me watering too late at night and possibly too much nitrogen or a combo of both. Regardless, it took a toll on my yard and it only now has recovered somewhat. I THINK that when I applied the fungus treatment, I also laid out a lot of weeds with it because I have a variety of any and all kinds growing like mad right now. Thats not my main concern. My main concern, and Im sure that all of you are familar with the same problem, Bermuda grass has come back in a huge way. Bermuda in a tall fescue lawn just doesnt look good and really irritates me knowing how much time and money I have spent on it. Today, I went out and bought some Ornamec which the gentleman at Nivek assures me will kill off the bermuda after several treatments. It is also supposed to NOT kill the fescue but, I am aware that it will cause a lot of stress on the "good grass" There is a list a mile long with it that I have not read yet to see what else I can use it on Oh, and Im not done yet. It took me forever to try and figure out why around the 4 small Cleveland Pear trees, the grass grows very thin and is always the first to show signs of needing water and stress. According to what I have read and after talking with the local Co-Op agent, if I understand correctly, the trees are sucking all the nutrients out of the soil and this is causing thin/brown/dead areas. I had a "vision" that maybe if I planted a different type of grass (say a shade tolerant grass) that it might help those areas. Then I thought if I do that, the yard is going to have several types of fescue, weeds and so on going on and Im not sure thats a good idea. So, what questions do I need help with you ask? Well, here goes. Given the fact that its prime time to overseed again, should I do anything at all to the weeds that are growing or should I simply let them die with the first frost and then apply preventive around the middle of Feb? I will be overseeding again within a month...sooner if and when the temps dip and if we get some much needed rain. Ornamec, is that going to be my best option for this bermuda...other than "nuking" the yard again and throwing away all the time and money I have already spent and having it show up again next year? Any ideas of what I could do around the 4 trees on this big lot? It sickens me to see the yard when it is at its best and then look over at the trees and see thin and dying grass. I am open to any and all suggestions. I joined this forum over a year ago and have read and read and read and learned quite a bit. I have even considered starting my own lawncare business but at this time, its impossible. I also know that if the members here cannot come to a good conclusion to these problems, then I am pretty much SOL! There are many, many smart people here that know what you are doing and not just pretending like I do! Yes, my yard is the tops by far in the area but as you know, if you dont keep after these things, they will get away from you fast. Again, I apologize for the length of this post and appreciate anyone that reads it and can lend a helping hand. If I left anything out or my rambling was not clear, please advise and I will do my best to clarify things. Thanks so much! I think this is in the correct forum but if it is not, please make one of the mods aware of it so it can be moved.