I stopped into my local Exmark dealer so he could fix one of our Gravely's,lol (popped the front tire) and while I was sitting there I was checking out some prices for another rider. The "E" series with a 27hp Kholer went for around 12k with a bagger and a "E" series 38hp kawi went for 15k with the Ultra Vac. . The last "new" rider we bought was a Gravely 52" with a 23 kawi and bagging system and we paid around 9k for everything. Even a 52" TurfTracer was pushing 7k! Yikes! I think we'll stick to Gravely.