New holland skids with Pilot controls? Anyone?

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment & Pavement' started by J. Peterson Grading, Jan 11, 2010.

  1. J. Peterson Grading

    J. Peterson Grading LawnSite Senior Member
    from IA
    Posts: 989

    I need a rubber tire machine for snow removal on a few parking ramps.

    I am looking at a few newer used machines in the $20.000 price range. New Hollands have been catching my eye here lately.

    Does anyone have any feedback on lets say a LS175 with pilot controls?

    I am not overly sold on the idea, but it seems the NH machines are pretty bullet proof, and reliable. Neighboor has 2 that are over 20 years old and have been used every day in his construction business.

    Thanks

    J.
     
  2. Dountman

    Dountman LawnSite Member
    from MA
    Posts: 85

    We have 5 LS185 sized NH's. Our newest one has pilot controls. Might just be me but I'd take a hand and foot control machine over the pilot controls anyday. The pilot controls are nice when working long hours in the machine, but I'm not sure if the control of the machine that you lose is worth it.
     
  3. DeereMan85

    DeereMan85 LawnSite Senior Member
    from Iowa
    Posts: 460

    The NHs I've run in that size were smooth, well-balanced machines. The boom/bucket hydraulics are nice and quick, which I like, especially for clearing snow. I haven't run one with pilots, so I can't tell you anything about that.
     
  4. AEL

    AEL LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,725

    JPG dont do it! I bought a brand new 2007 c185 (ctl) fully loaded with pilots , and i wouldnt let my worst enemy buy one. This is going to sound like a gr rant but here goes...

    The pilot controls on the machine are horrible. They have a lag of up to 4 seconds going from forward to reverse. The boom and bucket functions are fairly quick , with minimal lag.

    In the first 600 hours of use (this machine was babied!) Final drive went on machine ($6600 just for the part) and the replacement unit i got from NH was the last one in the world! I would of had to wait 3-4 months for another one! And it had to get shipped from the UK. Then 2 bottom rollers went, front idler, quick attach had numerous problems with not working, machine had a bogging problem, dealer service was horrible, machine did not want to start when it was cold even when plugged in. And last but not least they depreciate so fast. Paid 58k for it brand new not even 2 years ago, and now with 730 ish hours i cant even get 21k for it (after putting about 14k into it)

    I have a friend with a new style ls180 i believe and his turbo went at 120 hours, took dealer 2 weeks to fix, and they wouldnt give him a loaner machine.

    I will never buy a nh machine again! Good luck!
     
  5. KTM

    KTM LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 492

    I have a L170, I have put a few hours on it this year moving snow. It performs better than any other skid i have pushed snow with, I don't know if it because it is the first narrow tire skid I have pushed with. If I was spending a few hours at a time in it I would definitly demo the pilot controls. The roar oars on the NH are pretty stiff, although they do have some feedback that i like sometimes. I have watched my wifes uncle push with there 190 with manure bucket on there farm and that thing will really move the snow! I really think that the NH's are a good value. most models hold there value real well around here. For some reason the 190's do not compared to what they go for new. One other good thing about the them is that there machine weight is always light compared to the competition, my 170 pulls very easy behind a standard pickup.
     
  6. AEL

    AEL LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,725

    Glad to hear some one is happy with theres!
     
  7. bobcat_ron

    bobcat_ron LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 10,089

    The 170 and 175 series have terribly small engines, a customer of mine blew his in 265 hours, warranty paid for it, got it back and blew it again, I looked at his engine, looked like a 2.0 versus the 2.2 I had in the Cat.
    The 185 is a better machine, 3.2 liters, but they are ass heavy and they aren't the best for digging unless you use a heavy bucket.
     
  8. KTM

    KTM LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 492

    Yes, happy with the skid so far. No offense but doing my research before I bought my Tak, I was told by many to stay away from CNH CTL's, and the reasons were always drive related. I also had over $6,000 in repairs (drive related) on a Bobcat skid at 920 hrs BC did not help me one bit, and look how many happy BC customers there are on here. There all junk at some time or another. I have heard horror stories on all brands. I know of many happy NH customers, many repeat for 20+ years. I HOPE i can have the same success, to early to tell though.
     
  9. AEL

    AEL LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,725

    Just giving the man my experience with them, and all the problems were not drive related- ie -engine bog, quick attach, dealer service, parts avail, i forgot the hyd pump failed at 450 hours (warranty did cover that) and the cabs are not nice in any way.

    I completely agree that some times you just get a lemon, guess me and my friend got a pair of them.
     
  10. KTM

    KTM LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 492

    I understand, if I was in your boat I would be spreading the word too. especially since they dicked with you with such low hours.
     

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