Just got this one the other day. They had a loop handle one that was a demo for $3500, I didnt actually want the loop handle, nothing against them just personal preference but I was going to buy it since it was a good deal. Went back three days later and it was sold Found the same mower 48" WB 17hp. but with the pistol grips. They had it listed for Listed for $4700, asked them if they could give me the same price as the demo that they sold and I would take it now, and they agreed!! So $3499 for a brand new one, I thought it was a good deal. They even delivered it for me cause I wasnt ready to tackle cleaning out my garage, trailer.