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New Road Installation

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment & Pavement' started by Duramax8832, Jun 21, 2006.

  1. Duramax8832

    Duramax8832 LawnSite Member
    Posts: 147

    Im hopeing some of the site guys here can help me out on this one. For 1,000 feet of road with water, sewer,and electric. I have been quoted aprox 1,000 bucks a foot. That includes stripping out the top soil and bringing in processed gravel in 1ft compacted lifts. No trees or stumps to deal with, it's old farm pasture. I understand without a plan to go buy this is a shot in the dark for you guys to figure. Im contemplating doing it myself, i have done it many times working for someone, but this would be the first time as the developer.

    Then this brings us to equiment needs. Im thinking a 200 size excavator, a 410 backhoe and a 550 0r 650 dozer. I know there will be more down the road, but thats just to get the project moving.. Any advice on either topic would be greatly apreiated
     
  2. olderthandirt

    olderthandirt LawnSite Platinum Member
    from here
    Posts: 4,900

    I knew a guy that tried this once by himself and had quite a bit of knowledge on the subject. The trouble he ran into was there was a "wet" section of the farm field that was not even close to the new rd. but the water table was, cost him an extra 200K to pump in crete to firm the rd and the inspectors gave him hell on every turn since he was not a "certified" IE tax paying contractor.
    Good Luck
     
  3. Duramax8832

    Duramax8832 LawnSite Member
    Posts: 147

    we are set up all legal beagle to do all aspects of the project. the good news is from the test holes, after the 2 ft of loam it's is nice sandy gravel as deep as the hoe would dig
     
  4. Dirt Digger2

    Dirt Digger2 LawnSite Silver Member
    from PA
    Posts: 2,396

    as for the stone 8 inches of 3A modified will be plenty, a backhoe or mini excavator is sufficent for the trench, but a trackhoe and dozer is overkill. Get a trackloader (953C size) and a small doubledrum roller. Driveways, esspecially flat ones are easy installs. right now i'm working on a 2000 foot diveway where 200 loads of dirt had to be trucked out because of it being cut into the bank. we're installing the infiltration pits now. All that work was done with a 955 trackloader and a small dozer just to shape the banks and push the big pile higher.
     
  5. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 9,544

    It depends on soil conditions and without seeing what you have to work with there is no easy answer.

    If its really mucky and soft your going to need some blasted rock something broke down to 6-8 inch minus material. You walk that in with a excavator so it sinks into the soft stuff you may need quite abit if it keeps sinking in. All you need to do is spread it with the excavator and run over it with the machine. Once you have the base down then you build up the top with 3/4" road base the road is done. For the utility lines you will run those on the side of the driveway.

    You really don't need to strip the surface soil off unless its tall grass just go over the topsoil.

    You will have to have quite abit of rock dumped and a base started so the dump truck can back up and dump you spread it out and the truck dumps another load. There is no way a dump truck will beable to back into a soft field it will sink out of site.
     
  6. ksss

    ksss LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 7,126

    1000 dollars a foot seems like a lot of money. However, like GR said kinda hard from a keyboard to second guess someones bid. You wouldn't need a lot of equipment to build this yourself. I have built roads up to 500' with just my 95XT and roller. These were stripping topsoil laying out pitrun, compacting in lifts and topping the road with 3/4 roadbase, ready for asphalt. Engineering firms will blue stake it for if you have certain elevations you need to hit. Not difficult, nor do you need a lot of equipment you just need to be able to hit grade. Easy day. It maybe cost effective to have guys with scrapers come in and strip the topsoil and you handle the rest of the job. Around here the guys with the Steigers and Quad tracs pulling two and three pans can move 25 yards per pan. It doesn't take long believe me. After the topsoil is moved you bring in trucks of pitrun and lay them out in lifts. You may need to rent a water truck. There is nothing difficult about any of it. I probably wouldn't use an excavator on this job unless I owned one and was forgoing the pans. However even then you will be handling the matterial several times more than likely. Pans would be more productive.
     
  7. Squizzy246B

    Squizzy246B LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 837

    Hey Duramax, just a question..whats your chance of cutting the loam (or some) from the top into some big piles, dig a big hole (if you have room) and quarry up some of the gravelly stuff for the sub-base, then push the loam/grass etc into the hole???. If its through a paddock it shouldn't provide a problem if its rolled....Some pics of the site would be good.

    The double drum roller is the way to go. We are doing a couple of thousand feet at the moment and the neighbour let use use his 5 ton vibratory double drum for free...Bonus.:drinkup:
     
  8. tylermckee

    tylermckee LawnSite Member
    from wa
    Posts: 248

    I would just do everything with an excavator, if i had a dozer i would probably bring it in, but we dont have one. get a couple of trucks running and load out the top soil, bring in some sub base materail (rock or pit run), then cap with something like some 1 1/4 crushed rock.

    Squizzy has a good idea about mining your own material, if there is an area where you can dig a giant hole and stuff your top soil in that you could cut your trucking and material costs in half if not more.
     
  9. Scag48

    Scag48 LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 6,068

    I don't know what would be faster, loading truck by truck with an excavator or using a D5N or D6R to strip topsoil and grade the road, the load the stripped soil into trucks. I'd bring in a dozer to spread your pit run, but I think a 200 size excavator constantly loading trucks could knock out a good chunk of the excavation. Trenching the 1000' shouldn't take too long, so the majority of the job is stripping and grading. It's a big project, but nothing spectacular. I wouldn't hesitate to take it on yourself, there isn't one aspect that is difficult in the least bit. Just make the grade and keep on truckin'.
     
  10. Dirt Digger2

    Dirt Digger2 LawnSite Silver Member
    from PA
    Posts: 2,396

    to keep costs down a 20 ton trackhoe is too much...if you do go the trackhoe route a 12 or 15 ton is more then enough.
     

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