Hey guys I am looking into these two engines. I know there are countless posts about both but they seem to be scattered at best. The Kawi is a little cheaper, but I have heard that problems arise...the catch is that I heard this from a sales person at the local lawn shop. Of course he will plug the more expensive one. I have a honda hydro now and its great...but lacking balls in thicker grass. I have always wanted a toro proline, just like'em. If anybody has a warning against the kawi let me know. Thanks a bunch!