So i am mildly frustrated today. I was on the comp for a few hours this morning looking up ways to learn hardscapes. I want to take a CLASS on retaining walls and pavers. No problem, they are all over the place. Most all classes have requirements though. Every one of them said to have "at least" on years experience. So us newbies should just screw up jobs for the next year so i can take classes? I have read the web sites noted on here and done some other research as well. I want a hands on how to session. You would think that with the green industry advocating so much education that they would make it readily available to us idiots with no experience. Instead they will propogate idiocy through thier bass ackwards thinking. I think this whole movent is led by a bunch of guys that dont know a dang thing. Or better yet they know it all and forgot that we dont know it all yet. If anyone knows of where to grab some hands on classes that will let Newbs in can yall let me know? Even the Paver instatute of Ignant Learning wont let newbs in. WTF! When i think of our industry leaders i think of that snake eating its own tail. No wonder we never get anywhere!