a little advice for the new guys. weve discussed pricing jobs on an hourly rate basis. i personally thought it was the only way to price things like big cleanups and trimming work. well, what happens when you get more efficient? you make less money, thats what. example: i did a trimming job for a customer last year. charged by the hour. bill came out to $375. well, this year, did the same job, just as much growth, and the bill only came out to $300. what happened? i got better, and faster at it. im now trimming with a two sided trimmer, and can cut just as good with both sides, and in any direction. its difficult for anyone to accurately estimate something when no measurements, and no materials are involved. about an hour into the job i realized what was going to happen, so i started timing how long it took on each different shrub, according to type and size. i will start using this new formula to price jobs by the job, not by the hour.